[KKawohl]

I had some spiritual experiences, see http://transcendentalists.org that dispute all superstitious religious beliefs for which I sought Dr. Pim van Lommel's (cardiologist) advise. Your opinion thereof would be appreciated.

He stated: Dear Kurt Kawohl, You can call consciousness outside the brain "spirit", if you like. But this can be confusing, because not everybody has the same ideas about what exactly "spirit" should be. And there are several "levels" of consciousness, waking consciousness, dreaming consciousness, "subconsciousness", collective human consciousness, morphogenetic consciousness, higher cosnciousness, Cosmic consciousness, Divine consciousness. All these levels of consciousness are interconnected, and available, also during our life in our body.

I agree with you that also deep mental stress can facilitate the access to other levels or other aspects of our consciousness, but also NDE, meditation, regression therapy, isolation, depression, terminal illness and other circumstances can facilitate this effect.

This phase-space is a higher dimensional space, presumably not just the fourth dimension, according to Quantum Mechanics. Induced experiences are never the same as a NDE, sometimes several elements can be experienced, like flashes of the past, a feeling of not being in the body, or a period of unconsciousness, but aspects like a life-review, or transformation after the experience are hardly mentioned after induced experiences. All ND-expeirences are personal experiences, where finding words for it is very difficult, and cultural, demographic and religious factors play a role in this. So I have never heard a similar experience ever.

[KKawohl]

Albert Einstein stated, “The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend a personal God and avoid dogmas and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity".

Einstein also said,"Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe—a spirit vastly superior to man, and one in the face of which our modest powers must feel humble."

[KKawohl]

The Intelligent Designer Proclaims:

I Am The Intelligent Designer.
I did not come from nowhere.
I play no magic tricks on man.
I did not create the earth by casting spells.
I had a humble beginning the same as man;
My beginning was at the dawn of spirituality.
My wisdom grows as more spirits unite
After the cessation of life after much physical strife.
Throughout time I have been named God,
Allah, Jehovah, The Great Spirit, and many more.
I do not judge man for his vanity or naivety
To be the one who claims to please me the most.
I am easy to please. I require very little.
I only want you to do what is best for mankind.
I will bless you and wish you well.
I will inspire your mind and you will
Accomplish the unfathomable.
I require no worship. I need nothing from man.
I am self sufficient. I am spirit.

Develop your spirit wisely, the best that you can.
Live your life for the betterment of man.
Your spirit will soon be with me and then
Together we will see and traverse the universe.
There are many wonders to behold,
Your spirit will soar.
You will partake in all the wisdom
That has been gathered from the beginning of time.
The stars will be your playground.
You can play with the animals,
Be with your loved ones,
Listen to the greatest opera,
Stage or musical performances,
Or you can just relax next to a bubbling brook
And enjoy the scenery.
You feel no pain, despair,
Heartache, or negative emotions.
You are now One with me.
You are with the SPIRITUAL UNITY my child.

Kurt

[downsolong]

Hi,

Magical thinking/belief in superstitions is one of the cognitive mistakes that cognitive therapy warns against I believe.

Down

[goofygirl]

Maybe I'm the goofy one, but I think, like everything else, a little bit is fine and dandy, but there is a certain line that I have seen crossed where it seriously impacts a person's functioning in daily life. Just my honest opinion!

[sqrlb8]

I might come back to this later Kurt. I clicked on your website and had a good look around, very intriguing to say the least.

Speaking of saying the least, I guess that's where I'm at with your thread right now. I'm wondering what brings you here, to a psych forum? Care to share?

Your poem would be a nice addition to the Creative Corner forum here. It's quite beautiful.

I don't know what to do with the poll, I happen to regard belief and superstition as invariably and without exception the same.

Have you read Erwin Laszlo's latest book, "Science and the Akashic Field?"

sqrl.

[misty]

Superstitions guess you would have to specify with that for me. If I believe if walking under a ladder and seeing black cat too is bad luck no I do not believe in that. Do I believe things happen that ppl can not understand? I say yes.

[dayzee9]

Hey KKawohl:
I personally do not believe that any superstition is a mental order! I am part Cherokee & I know a lot of my family's heritage. PPL would call them "silly" "nonsense" It's a discussion in reference to psych social phenonemomenm(sp?)

Personally, as long as it is not a destructive deterant negatively against others; Then I believe that ppl who believe in superstitions are some of the most reverant, creative, imaginative ppl on the world! It's all a part of sociopathic argument/socioeconomic culture belief system which should be respected by all.

Did I cover everything? Sorry about the literary dysentary!
I'll go back & play w/ my Tarot cards.......
DAYZEE9

[misty]

Why Tarot cards? There is nature to follow

[(JD)]

I personally take offense at the use of the term "superstitiuous religious beliefs" as if all religious beliefs are classified there.

I wonder at your combination of your personal views and that of Einsteins, and reference to quantum mechainics... and wonder if you are currently in another reality while you post.

Normally I welcome new members. Right now I do not see where your needs parallel the goals of the site. Be well.

[Schatze]

Welcome. I'm curious too as to what has brought you here.

Missi

[misty]

srry daysee9 hope not being disrespectful
lrks

[CedarS]

Don't the Community Guidelines cover this post from Kurt?

"Inappropriate Content

This is, first and foremost, a self-help support community. That means if your message (post or PM) isn't about offering support to another person or asking for it, it's potentially not appropriate for our community. Specifically prohibited from our community:

* Advertisements of any sort
* Announcements of one's own Web site, new resource, or book "

[jennie]

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this can be confusing, because not everybody has the same ideas about what exactly "spirit" should be.

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I would guess that each word or phrase (spiritual experiences, superstitious religious beliefs, consciousness, spirit, subconscious, collective human consciousness, etc.) you mention need to be defined separately. Are every metaphysical construct synonymous which each other?

The Brain [organ] and Mind/Soul/Psyche [thoughts/will/emotion] cannot be confused with the Spirit.

The question is . . . does Spirit exist? If so, then is consciousness part of the Mind/Soul/Psyche or part of the Spirit?

[jennie]

Is believing in superstitions a mental disorder?

I don't know . . . . What does the DSM say? I voted "yes" because I do not think superstitions are the same as spirituality . . . but hey, I may be wrong It seems superstitions are similar to my religious delusions I get when manic

According to Dictionary.com:
su·per·sti·tion (spr-stshn) n.
1. An irrational belief that an object, action, or circumstance not logically related to a course of events influences its outcome.
2. (a) A belief, practice, or rite irrationally maintained by ignorance of the laws of nature or by faith in magic or chance.
(b) A fearful or abject state of mind resulting from such ignorance or irrationality.
(c) Idolatry.

[Ganesha]

Hi, your name triggered my question.
I too have had similar experiences.

Ganesha

[(JD)]

I sense a definite difference between native american followings and superstitions. There is a great little book that gives the origin of superstitiions, and it can enlighten all those who read it. For instance, "knocking on wood" for good luck came from a time when ppl believed evil spirits live in wood, and by knocking on them when you speak something hopeful, will keep them locked in the wood. Even Einstein would want more proof of such phenomena, eh?

[Ganesha]

I like that you shared that.
I never knew that.
so everytime I see someone do that I will know what it original meaning was.

G.

[KKawohl]

Why do people shy away from the concept of connecting an Intelligent Designer with evolution? Is it because of the bad reputation that many religions have created for the ID through their superstitions beliefs that are justifiably looked upon as mere myth by the scientific community? Why do most psychologists prefer not to discuss spirituality with their patients? Is it because they themselves are often baffled by it and also harbor religiously conditioned superstitions?

Shouldn’t religions strive to promote that truthfulness and rationality in religions, truths that can be substantiated by science or those that can not be proven to be wrong? Spiritual interaction is only possible between spirits. Claims of supernatural acts performed by physical or spiritual beings in the physical universe are not truths.

Evolution and the Intelligent Designer are intertwined. If it were not for evolution, there would be no ID. If the ID exists where then did it come from? Did the ID create life or did life create the ID? Did Life begin on earth?

All of what we can presently see of the universe, its billions of stars, the galaxies, and other solar systems with its planets only represent less than 2% of the total existence of the universe. It is naïve of us to assume that throughout the trillions of years past that life has only existed on our small world and therefore the spiritual existence, the ID came about through mankind. We can compare our knowledge to the collective spiritual consciousness, the beginning of the ID and the beginning of life in the universe as that of a two year old child who is just developing its reasoning abilities. Our world status within the universe is comparable to a mere grain of sand, a simple molecule that makes up the vast expanse of the universe.

People have portrayed the ID as being mysterious when the concept of the ID is really quite simple. The ID is a loving, peaceful coexistence of spiritual souls including ours upon our physical demise. The ID's intelligence is ever expanding and grows with the addition of each soul. Every soul is like a separate cell or atom on earth which combines with other cells or atoms to make up the existence of every living person, plant, animal and even the air which sustains all life; so also do souls perform, either individually or in unison.

The bonding of the first two righteous souls, the first reasoning entities, the ID whom mankind has called God, originated somewhere in the universe on our earth or on a planet in another solar system, possibly billions of years ago. The bonding of the first two souls created spiritual unity which expanded and progressed, created Cumulative Intelligence which our spirit/soul can tap into to receive inspiration and therefrom perform the seemingly impossible.

Albert Einstein stated, “God, seems to be an "intelligence" or "superior reasoning power" which was behind the laws and harmonies of the universe.

The ID is self-sufficient and needs nothing from mankind.

Kurt

[KKawohl]

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Welcome. I'm curious too as to what has brought you here.

Missi

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A desire for religious rationality. Religious conditioning and brainwashing connected to superstitions have often created mental disabilities which psychologists are ill equipped to handle due to their lack of training therein.

When people realize that what man has called God is a spiritual existence that has never interferred in the physical universe, only then can rationality predominate in religion.

Kurt

[(JD)]

Hi KKawohl... you are welcome at psychcentral.

Discussion of religious matters is against community guidelines. Maybe on another board you can share your ideas?

What mental disability are you suffering with?

Cognitive distortion causes ppl to "over generalize" which might be involved in your summation. Are you in therapy? How are you today?

Again, welcome.

[KKawohl]

Greetings Ganesha,

My last 2 spiritual experiences were a mere 2.5 years ago after I somewhat dismissed the first & I have much to learn. I perused the internet about Djwhal Khul after you asked the question and will do further research.

Please email me at kkawohl1@cox.net

Kurt

[KKawohl]

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Hi KKawohl... you are welcome at psychcentral.

Discussion of religious matters is against community guidelines. Maybe on another board you can share your ideas?

What mental disability are you suffering with?

Cognitive distortion causes ppl to "over generalize" which might be involved in your summation. Are you in therapy? How are you today?

Again, welcome.

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Your welcome is appreciated...even your condescension of me. I apologize if my dicsussion of superstitions somehow contest with your religious beliefs. Is that why you believe I need therapy?

Kurt

[(JD)]

oops. It is unfortunate that you feel denegraded. That was not my intention. This is a support site, for those who have such "mental disability" to which you referred.

No apology necessary.

Welcome.

[(JD)]

IF this discussion is allowed to continue, I would like to really elaborate on my views of the universe, trinity of humans, quantum mechanics and the like. But I choose not to do so right now, as it might become wasted effort. sigh.