[KUREHA]

http://truthbroadcastnetwork.com/152...tional-rights/

Don't SAY ANYTHING to a DOCTOR

I left - so I'm out of that.

[Victoria'smom]

Thank-you .

[beauflow]

KUREHA-- My S/O and I talk about this often- this one thing that really lit a fire under me when NY passed the law-- But can't get political here right?

I feared 1984 was amongst the lines a while back, this due to most are suspicious if one disagree with the majority and has a little emotion behind it as well.. called irate, irrational and fanatic even, and much worse....

Now due to I may Have the THOUGHT of doing something- I have to KEEP That THOUGHT to myself.......

Worse yet, I am sure now there will be a day that neighbors and loved ones will have to report-- the thoughts that another has...... or they too will be held liable!

It is ridiculous.....
"Thought Police"....

Now a person that may have real anger issues, may not get into therapy due to they may be black booked and branded with rights taken away if they are not careful with what they say, if they dare express themselves.... Let Alone a Person that may have additional issues with that anger, and perhaps even a mental illness....

I find it a pity; already had issues with people going in to get help in the first place due to the original stigma with mental illnesses-- now things are just added on to "help that stigma" gain power.

Get told by some that I am being Irrational--

look at what is going on- It is irrational!!!

Sorry Mods- delete my post if needed.

[pachyderm]

Here is the relevant text of the recently enacted New York law:

"...when a mental health professional currently providing services to a person determines, in the exercise of reasonable professional judgment, that such person is likely to engage in conduct that would result in serious harm to self or others, he or she is required to report…"

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...-document.html

I do not see where it says anything about a person's thoughts. It says they must report if the professional thinks the person is likely to do something resulting in serious harm. I don't see how different this is from the current situation.

In conformity with the title of this thread, I think it is good to THINK FIRST about what you claim.

[sylvie-rose]

I don't know about the USA since I don't live there, but when a patient expresses a serious wish to do harm to themselves or others, don't doctors have a responsibility regarding that anyway? (eg. involuntary admission in the case of the former, not sure about the latter, if it's not involuntary admission it's maybe to tell police of the realistic threat?)

So in this case wouldn't it be similar, ie. recognising whether the person might follow through on certain comments/wishes? Or maybe at worst, if someone has an ongoing, serious anger problem and has a history of violence, then they'd need to say something about that patient so they don't get sold a gun/keep the one(s) they already have? Seems sensible enough to me

[beauflow]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...own-a-gun?lite

Pachy I am sorry if I don't seem as thinking first, I guess the "thought police" are a fear of mine-- but this article that really sticks to me when i read it-
I do see where you come from- and I HOPE that is the case that there needs to be plan, motive and means.... but I am not sure if all are in that same boat.

“I see it very frequently,” Steven Dubovsky, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Buffalo, said of patients expressing violent fantasies. “You see people who struggle with anger or have violent thoughts, and if I thought they were going to act on it right away, I would stop them.”
“Now if you’re mistaken, you’re wrong about this, and you don’t report it, you could face criminal sanctions. I’m not taking any chances at that point,” Dubovsky said. That could encourage therapists to over-report, he said.

[pachyderm]

Originally Posted by beauflow

I guess the "thought police" are a fear of mine

Yeah, mine too, at least at one time. It seemed to me my mother could control my thoughts, but now I think I was the one who controlled them, in order to avoid the fear that would come up if I became aware of my thoughts -- because as a child if I expressed those thoughts I could be severely punished. I have only learned relatively recently that I can think things without other people knowing what my thoughts are!

[Ineptitude]

I don't doubt that the USA is becoming ever more a nanny and police state, but I disagree with the OP on this subject. The law indicates that a reasonable person test is conducted, while this is subjective in nature, I also have some faith that medical professionals will not likely abuse this.

[KUREHA]

I'm not in America - but I was saying stuff to my nurse last year and she called the police and I had to talk to them about it.
I didn't even say I was going to do anything.

Now with this - no one will be able to say anything.