[gismo]

In Wales, North east England, there is an out break of measles, in fact it is an epidemic,.... why did these people not get there children immunised? i dont get it! When we have our children don't we have a moral duty to care, nurture and protect our littles ones.... when my son was born in 2005 there was a controversal rumour going round spead by the general public,fed by some off the cuff remark by a leading Dr, sorry cannot recall is name but it caused worry and scare mongering,,,, it was said that the MMr jab (measles,mumps and rhubella) was a contribution to autism in children who received the jab, so many parents were reluctant for there children to recieve the jab,well the degree of fact in the matter was unfounded. My son had the jab aged 3,he is now 8 he has been diagnosed with autism, but i do not in any way shape or form the MMr jab contributed to this, no way..... so what am trying to say is for children who have not had this jab it is a very serious and not very nice illness and now the consequense of not immunising there children has brought on an epidemic, tut tut...........

[yellowted]

it was just a matter of time before this happened, why parents who refusefd the tripple jab never got their children innoculated with the seperate ones i will never know...they were available!
funny how so many parents have changed their minds and are now queing for hours in a panic to get their kids innoculated with the same thing they refused years ago! stupid thing is one jab will not prevent measles, the children need two doses for it to be affective and queing with a whole load of others who are vulnerable to mesles is surely a green light to spreading the infection even more!

the tripple vaccine was cleared of all rumours of it being responsible for autism in children years ago so in my opinion it is irresponsible parents who have put their children at risk unneccesserily.

measles was totally irradicated in the UK so it must have been reintroduced by foreigners who had not been innoculated, yet another of the dangers of letting anyone and everyone into the country!

[-jimi-]

A lot of people now believe vaccines cause autoimmune illness, cancer, autism and dementia to name a few. They believe they are abusing the child if they give them shots. They believe the child will be healthier without them and asking such parents they will provide studies to tell you unvaccinated children are better off.

There is a big movement out there to help Andrew Wakefield who they think was framed for providing the truth.

In my days we did not have a good measles vaccine and I saw several young adults getting it and getting it bad. Not a pretty sight. Also, some "races" actually have no genetic protection and will die from measles.

But the anti-vaccers claim children need these illnesses to grow up to be strong and healthy adults. I know, I know several of these people.

[hamster-bamster]

Originally Posted by gismo

In Wales, North east England, there is an out break of measles, in fact it is an epidemic,.... why did these people not get there children immunised? i dont get it! When we have our children don't we have a moral duty to care, nurture and protect our littles ones....

The craze about the refusal to vaccinate/inoculate/immunize and the attribution of various ills to the vaccines without cause/proof has been insane.

We do have a moral obligation to contribute to the herd immunity, in my opinion, in addition to and apart from the moral obligation to care for the immunity of our individual children - it is part of living in a society.

[hamster-bamster]

Originally Posted by jimi...

But the anti-vaccers claim children need these illnesses to grow up to be strong and healthy adults. I know, I know several of these people.

Very said... and, there are lots of easy ways to build immunity outside of not vaccinating - stopping the use of antibacterial soap and hand sanitizer is both effective and safe and does improve both individual and public health without causing epidemics.

[-jimi-]

Originally Posted by yellowted

measles was totally irradicated in the UK so it must have been reintroduced by foreigners who had not been innoculated, yet another of the dangers of letting anyone and everyone into the country!

Businessmen and tourists have been known to bring disease. If someone leaves the UK on a trip, don't let them back in!

[splitimage]

I totally do not get the fearmongering around vaccines - they're safe, and as someone born just before the advent of the modern vaccines, I can tell you childhood illnesses are no picnic. I had measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, and whopping cough. I can still remember how sick I was with the measles, lieling in a dark room with the curtains drawn because the light hurt my eyes, and my house being quarantined. I don't have children, but if I did they would certainly be vaccinated.

splitimage

We've had several cases of whooping cough show up in our school district in past month. Pertussis was never completed eliminated like other illnesses such as mumps, measles, etc. pretty much were. The pertussis vaccine was changed about 1990 due to side effect problems, and unfortunately the current vaccine is not quite as effective as the original vaccine type was. The new one appears to start losing effectiveness as children get older, so whooping cough can still be an issue.

From the CDC:

"Since the early 1980s, there has been an overall trend of an increase in reported pertussis cases. Pertussis is naturally cyclic in nature, with peaks in disease every 3-5 years. But for the past 20-30 years, we've seen the peaks getting higher and overall case counts going up. There are several reasons that help explain why we're seeing more cases as of late. These include: increased awareness, improved diagnostic tests, better reporting, more circulation of the bacteria, and waning immunity.
When it comes to waning immunity, it seems that the acellular pertussis vaccine (DTaP) we use now may not protect for as long as the whole cell vaccine (DTP) we used to use. Throughout the 1990s, the US switched from using DTP to using DTaP for infants and children. Whole cell vaccines are associated with higher rates of minor and transient side effects such as fever and pain and swelling at the injection side. Rare but serious neurologic adverse reactions including chronic neurological problems rarely occurred among children who had recently received whole cell vaccines. While studies have had inconsistent results that the vaccine could cause chronic neurological problems, public concern in the US and other countries led to a concerted effort to develop a vaccine with improved safety. Due to these concerns, along with the availability of a safe and effective acellular vaccine, the US switched to acellular vaccines."

[googley]

The MMR vaccine does not cause autism. The research that "proved" that MMR shots cause autism was fabricated. It was an unethical research who came up with the "proof". Now people don't vaccinate due to a false belief that caused this.

Yellowted: You are blaming foreigners for bringing this in. It is just as easily caused by people visiting countries where it is not eradicated and bringing it back with them.

[nicoleb2]

Originally Posted by 1914sierra

We've had several cases of whooping cough show up in our school district in past month.

It's at epidemic levels in my area! My family is vaccinated, but I still worry about one of us getting it!

[hamster-bamster]

Originally Posted by nicoleb2

It's at epidemic levels in my area! My family is vaccinated, but I still worry about one of us getting it!

I had adult pertussis in 2006. Was so bad that had to be on short term disability from work, for many weeks. Horrible experience.