Arrest in JonBenet Ramsey Murder

Well, he also supposedly said that he picked her up from school. We know that isn't true in any sense, as it was the day before Christmas!

it was the day after christmas hon.

well, that's crazy too, imo as the mother put she died on Dec 25th on the tombstone!

it happened sometime after they all went to bed on christmas night. they had been to christmas mass at their church. so it was really on the 26th. my mom died on the 11th but her death cert says the 12th since there was no one to pronounce her til later. she died at 11:55pm

Well, IMHO, the parents are responsible for turning that poor child into: Pedophile Poster Child of the Year, at any rate.....

However, lots a guilt to go around. These "Pageants" are "normal" public events. If you pull on the vine hard enough, our greedy/me-first society is responsible. She didn't look happy in "those pictures" to me.

Money was made off her innocence. Ya know? Blind eyes have been turned for a loooooong time around the whole business, is what I think. YukkkyPooooooBIGTIMEkakakakaBlaghhhhhh

I believe, many,in this "little group" knew exactly what was going on,even the deceased,unstable,(little Ms. innocent mom.) but this is my "gut" feeling.
The dad,and mom, had a very good idea of what was happening,but did not want to give up all the wonderful publicity they got and then (the victim)also received with all this fame. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!
Gut feeling, and may be very wrong,but feel mom and/or dad were no where innocent in this whole deal. Maybe they lived in "denial",but are guilty,as far as info. or near info as to to what REALLY happened.
I may have a negative, or realistic view towards the whole situation of Jon Benet Ramsey.
Awaiting pure evidence of the real outcome.
Take care,
Roe

I think the suspect's handwriting is similar to the ransom letter's writing. I just saw on CNN the two writings side-by-side. No, I'm not an expert, but I'm an artist. He wrote the ransom letter. But, it's possible he didn't kill Jonbenet.

This whole thing is so very sad.

The media is really getting me upset though.... they keep referring to JonBenet as the "6 year old Beauty Queen"-----WHAT!?? that is so upsetting to me!!!!!!

She was a 6 year old little girl, that liked to play dress-up, among many other things too!! IMO--The "Beauty Queen" label is for mature adults that have a say in how they look and understand what they are conveying!!!! this really upsets me!!

Hope this post isn't veering off subject too much.

mandy

For some may be painful to read, so please avoid from reading if the story gives you nightmares, etc.

Hi, first, I would like to thank you all for your responses to my question about my therapist. I actually talk to him and we solved the problem; he is willing to help me get through school and go slower. Sorry, I just wanted to say that first.

I agree with Dark Eyes. You are absolutely right. I read the autopsy documents online. The girl was injured... chronic sexual abuse -- the doctor said. My theory, the dad sexually exploited the child; this is why it was not his DNA on her panties. The mother beat her on a rage. She died and then both had to cover each other up because both were guilty for different reasons. If one was exposed, the other one would be exposed too. Just read the evidence that was found and the autopsy. My verdict: both guilty -- even if it is just for endangering this little girl by forcing her to attend these child contests and causing her to lose her childhood. (No child at that age can make this decision. Please, don't tell me she wanted it).
I hope my theory is wrong otherwise the mother is burning in hell at this moment (no one can escape God's justice). Isn't it ironic that she died from ovarian cancer?? Anyway, these child beauty contests -- in my humble opinion-- ARE legalized child abuse and borderline child pornography. Children pose with heavy make up, highhill shoes, and suimsuits as adults?? No wonder our society is messed up!! Sorry, I had to take it off my chest. These contests should become ILLEGAL FOR CHILDREN!!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060828/...net_ramsey_412

Dream Blue,

I think the child pageants should be illegalized also!!!!

EJ

I agree with EJ. I have never understood the parent stance on displaying children in such abnormal circumstances.
As for guilt of the perp: I don't think the parents did anything. I also think this new fella Karr or Carr is just delusional.
Patty

I agree, I don't think this child pagents should be allowed. It's a pedophiles' buffet. Sorry to put it that way. But it's know that pedphiles follow this pagents. This are little girls, dressed up, made up to pose in provocative manners. I remember watching footage of Jon Bennet after all this happened and was disgusted by all of what I was seeing. The girls looked like little women of the night or something....very, very sad!!!!

today DNA proved this person that confessed was not the one to assault her. they are not charging him with her murder. I knew he didn't do it. nothing fit

Right. I hinged my thoughts on the match... which didn't hehehe chalk up a differently ill person confessing

BUT you never know ... what the officials are willing to try???? Maybe the promotion could have caused the REAL murderer to have contacted them in some way to say FOOLS or such???? I don't put anything past them... of course, I never expect much either

why would he confess when it wasnt him. I just dont understand, im totally bemused at this.

Pathological need for attention.

I suppose so but hes just made himself look like an idiot, world wide! I suppose any attention is good attention?

A Confession Doesn't Mean That a Crime Has Been Solved

By Matt Crenson

It is rare, but not unheard of, for some people to confess to notorious crimes they did not commit - and suspicions have been raised that John Mark Karr is one such false confessor. Picked up by police in Thailand on Wednesday, Karr readily admitted that he is guilty in the slaying of child beauty queen, JonBenet Ramsey. But aside from his confession, there is little public evidence linking him to the 1996 crime, leading some experts to speculate that he is either lying or delusional. "Many high-publicity crimes have these people coming out of the woodwork," said Elizabeth Loftus, director of the Centre for Psychology and Law at the University of California-Irvine.

More than 200 people confessed to the 1932 kidnapping and murder of Charles Lindbergh's infant son. The 1947 "Black Dahlia" murder - the slaying of aspiring actress Elizabeth Short, who was found naked and sliced in half in a vacant Los Angeles lot - attracted numerous spurious confessions. And lawyers for the Ramsey family said Friday that a number of people have already confessed to the killing of JonBenet, none of them with enough credibility to attract the attention of law enforcement.

"Often you're looking at a pathological need for attention," said Saul Kassin, a psychology professor at Williams College in Williamstown, Massachusetts. Henry Lee Lucas died in prison in 2001, convicted of 11 murders. But he had confessed to hundreds of others, though authorities did not believe most of his confessions. Gisli Gudjonsson, a professor of forensic psychology at the Institute of Psychiatry at King's College London, concluded that Lucas "would say and do things for immediate gain, attention and reaction ... he was eager to please and impress people ... the notoriety aspect of the confessions was appealing to him."

But there are countless other reasons that people confess to crimes they never committed. Some people are tricked by police interrogation tactics. Sometimes people confess to take the rap for friends or relatives who have previous convictions. Others simply relent under intense questioning and agree to anything that will end the ordeal. There is the story of the time Nazi commander Heinrich Himmler lost his pipe while visiting a concentration camp; he found it later in his car, but by that time six people had confessed to stealing it.

It is even possible for people to convince themselves, sometimes with help or coercion, that they have actually committed a crime they would have considered unimaginable. In 1988 Richard Ingram, a sheriff's deputy in Olympia, Washington, confessed to the ritual sexual abuse of his daughters after being convinced by leaders of his church that Satan had compelled his actions and then erased his memory of them. "People can come to believe that they did things, saw things, experienced things that they didn't do or see," said Loftus, who is well known for implanting false memories in subjects' minds with cleverly constructed psychological experiments.

Psychoanalysts have suggested that some false confessions can be motivated by a subconscious psychological need to be punished for something a person wants to do but has not. Karr has been convicted on child pornography charges and has expressed fascination with young girls in general and the murders of both JonBenet Ramsey and Polly Klaas in particular. Klass was abducted from her Petaluma, California, home and killed in 1993. Karr moved his family to Petaluma in 2000, and reportedly told authorities he corresponded with Polly Klaas' killer, Richard Allen Davis.

Karr has written poems to JonBenet Ramsey and he professed his love for her in statements to AP this week. For four years he has corresponded by email with Michael Tracey, a University of Colorado journalism professor who produced three documentaries about the Ramsey case. Kassin said police can usually see through false confessions relatively easily by asking a few questions about the crime that only the culprit could accurately answer. Tracey and others have suggested that Karr knows details he could not have gleaned from press reports and other sources, but so far no specific examples have been given.

If Karr does turn out to have confessed falsely, Kassin said, it will be interesting from a psychological standpoint to know whether he did it knowingly to attract attention or actually believes he committed the crime. Experts are also curious about Karr's insistence that the killing was an accident. The assertion may be an attempt to avoid charges of first-degree murder, said Sharon L Davies, a professor at Ohio State University law school.

But it could also reveal a discrepancy between the forensic evidence, which indicates a brutal attack, and Karr's fantasy of the crime. - AP

its really quite an eye opener. There are some real nuts out there.