the romanticism of mental illness

Yes I agree with that. That is pretty much what I said. I think sewer was mistaking bad work for a style change. Your style may appear to change if your work goes downhill but in reality our unique style is always going to be there. At least elements of it. No it is not the same for everyone. Sure wish it wasn't curbed for me. Prozac isn't a "happy pill" for everyone either. But if it is a happy pill then I could see how music could become happy and crappy for some.

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It isn't on netflix anymore but it is on YouTube. I've never heard of it, thanks guys!

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The band was not known for happy tunes ,the singer killed himself on the eve of flying to America he didn't want fame , so instead he killed himself a couple of hours before the plane took off. On PROZAC Bernard did change creatively he was a deeply sad man before Prozac the hole band was miserable that's what people liked about them. WE in England have a load of high profile bipolar celebs , STEVEN FRY the prominent one for his suicide attemps now on bipolar meds after years without , American Ruby wax is the president of the bipolar foundation and on meds , he comic genius vanished, the list goes on and on meds do stub the creative juice in most, that why most drink instead of meds, and either die young or like STEVEN FRY END UP TAKING THE MEDS.

It's understood that threads sometimes morph into something more than what the OP wanted to discuss, but it seems this thread has gone a bit off course. Let's try to get back on course with this -

Its all part of the thread , lots of people see a star on tv and film that is bipolar or mentally ill, and see them still playing hero,s and acting cool , what they don't see is the therapy and the med taking, plus the utter misery of there lives off camera. So has the thread implies they see them has hero,s and copy there every move even down to pretending the ill like there hero , We were just mentioning some they may have copied and why

Over in the UK we've had some girl called Tallulah Wilson become (posthumously) famous for taking her own life after posting self-harm images on her Tumblr account... (and she did that in October 2012)

Re: 15 year old girls, etc etc. I do get the impression that over the past several years that mental illness has been...embraced, loosely, by those trying to find their own identity. I think this is true to some extent with the teens who are trying to work out their own angst and issues. It's not that they always meet the DSM criteria for Depression (or whatever else), but some of their issues are real. The type of thing that could perhaps be handled by a couple of counseling sessions or just having an unbiased party to listen to them. Granted, there's cases where it's "for the attention" or to be "unique", but I think those cases have always existed. On a semi-related note, I've noticed more adults (20-30yrs, Military Vets and Active Duty) openly discussing their issues, such as ADHD, Depression, Anxiety, and PTSD. Not to say their going in depth with the details, but more that they're discussing the fact that they have these issues and are being treated, medicated, and talking about the results (and side effects) of the medication.

I don't think that is new. Me and most of my circle went through a period of angst and issues as teens and young adults and that was definitely not within the last few years not everybody in my school went through that but my group did. The outcomes were across the board from the worst possible to extremely stable and productive. If mental illness is now being embraced I feel they are not given a chance to work it out on their own. Fear that you will somehow loose your child probably drives it. But questioning everything is such an important part of growing up. Some people are just more passionate about it. I don't know why we are so anxious to "fix" them all the time. Music that was raw and emotional and honest was extremely important to me. Some people might call it "romanticizing" illness or death or drugs or whatever but it helped me understand what I was feeling was not all that abnormal or even extreme. I'm not even sure how to say this without offending but listening to the lyrics of somebody who killed them-self when you are the type of person that feels like doing the same is almost like holding their hand except you don't know who will be stronger. I don't know how to describe it better than that.

PTSD among soldiers is more accepted as an "unfortunate consequence" of battle. The fact that you can show cause and effect and comfort in numbers helps.



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Maybe the teens are troubled. Maybe they need guidance. Teenage years sucks.

what sucks more is that many can get easily get sucked up in the system, stamped "ill" and doomed for life if they don't grasp their young lifes back.

RAY DAVIES of the KINKS is well known now for his mental illness and stays in hospital , but has a teenager and all through my life his lyrics were the very thing I was thinking . Then he was just always out his head on booze, trying to come to terms with his life just like I was. His album lyrics saved me from many downers has he sang the very thing I was thinking, all my life to this day I buy Ray Davies albums have shook his hand and think of him has a saviour and I am mentally ill , I did not need to imitate mental illness like kids today play hero with the idols, I actually felt like him in all but name , has he suffer just like I did and still does , kinda makes me feel human. inside his head

To true there should be an age limit like booze, I mean the booze age limit was set to save young minds , so why not meds

Maybe embraced was the wrong word. Maybe it's more to do with the social change in culture where so many people share everything.

As for the PTSD - it's always been a consequence, but again, I think only over the past decade has it become more widely acknowledged. And only over the past couple of years have I actually heard troops still on active duty openly discuss mental health treatments. The clinic has always been there, but it generally wasn't talked about beyond "a doctors appointment".

Embraced by the military perhaps? Accepted. But yes social media changed everything. There is definitely a lot of TMI out there. Maybe the silver lining of that is people are less afraid to discuss difficulties. Although I'll add that social media distances people as much as it connects people. People can talk all day long about celebrities and acquaintances maybe even friends and seem empathetic. But when it comes down to in person empathy it is still a whole different ball game.

To keep it on topic … social media is a "sort" of romanticism because you can idealize someone, even someone you personally knew. I don't know... That is certainly something to explore.

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Nothing romantic about being depressed I see it more as a stigma.

Lately, I've been really pissed off at the sister subject of the Romanticism of low self-esteem. It seems that 90% of the books I read have the main character have low self-esteem. They have ultra successful lives, loads of friends, are loved and respected, but then the writer throws in some tripe about this character having low self-esteem to make her or him more likeable. Meanwhile, the people with more self-esteem are revealed to be egotistical snobs who deserve to fail.

Low self-esteem is NOT the same as being modest, selfless, or altruistic. It does NOT inspire you to work harder, or become more successful, or build character.

I wish so much that writers would stop trying to pass off low self-esteem as something that is good for you or something that will improve you. Low self-esteem doesn't help you at all; it pushes you down. Sometimes it destroys you so much you cannot even function. Why do so few people seem to understand this?

Interesting. I have been reading books where women are the central character and they are just the opposite of somebody with low self esteem. These are sci if and action books, mostly indies so you probably haven't heard of them unless you're into that. I don't know if that makes a difference. But what about hunger games? What books are you reading if you don't mind me asking? Do they grow by the end of the book?

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Mostly mysteries, suspense, romance, and women's fiction. YA books are also notorious for it. I do read some science fiction and action. I like The Hunger Games. I'm a compulsive reader who will read anything except eating disorder or famine books.

I know: romances aren't realistic, yadda, yadda. But it occurred to me that I was seeing that a lot in books by American authors. The character has "low self-esteem" is essentially shorthand for "This character is not the ordinary entitled American. She's someone who deserves to have a happy ending."

And the distorted thoughts of my mental illness conclude, "She's better than you'll ever be." I'll admit this is fully my problem, not the authors'. Maybe when other people read these books, they see hope that things will turn out better for them. But sometimes it depresses me, seeing how easily the character can prove she is a worthy human being, while I can't.

Ugh, I hate this soo much!!! It's absolutely insulting and I see it all over the internet and in my school! There's this whole group of freshmen that feed off of each other and treat self-destruction and mental illness like it's a clique and a contest to see who has the worst life.

Yes! When I was younger anorexia was hands down the most romanticized. I'm an avid reader and author's suicides are glorified. I just love David Foster Wallace and totally suggest you listen to his speech on youtube called "This is Water" genius. Sadly, he as many others felt the meds blocked his creative flow so he quit. At age 46 he hung himself and the world lost one of the best writers. Same with musicians like Elliot Smith, I love him as well.

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I haven't read romances in years! I do seem to remember images of women to weak to make up their own minds. There's really nothing wrong with allowing yourself to be drawn into a romance like that as long as you aren't making it your entire life.

"The lipstick click" is an action series which be warned is violent. Going from romance to this series could be weird. It is entertaining. However the lipstick click is a criminal enterprise run by women. They are black women. It seems like black women and Italian women are strong within the culture. Maybe those are good books to seek out.

I just watched the hours. There is weakness and sadness and ultimately strength in these women. They are imperfect. From what you say maybe it would be more inspiring to read books where the heroin is not perfect. It's more realistic.

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don't you think though, that the need to act this way is some sort of pathology?

People don't go acting depressed for the lulz. Some are professionally miserable, but that is even worse than clinical depression in some way. And very deep rooted often.

Her profile says 17 so I'm thinking they are freshmen in high school (correct me if I am wrong). So may there is some kid exactly like you are suggesting. This is the age when they are still following the alpha who could be the one. If you are familiar with the Steubenville rape... It is the stuff that drives that except it was generational and they were seniors. Hopefully these kids will grow out of it as they usually do.

What's lulz?

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lulz - fun (as in LOLs)

Explain please how you are professionally miserable .Is it this how you FEEL ??/// near everything in todays world makes you miserable to a professional standard. :That is sad