[Cygnus8548]

In popular culture people use this term a lot but I don't think they understand what it is and are thus insulting others. The DSM 5 is very clear that it requires a feeling of "grandiosity" but I think it is unclear what this means and that not all have it in the classic sense. So this abuse should stop.

[CANDC]

Cygnus, are you talking about narcissistic personality disorder.

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[Cygnus8548]

Originally Posted by CANDC

Cygnus, are you talking about narcissistic personality disorder.

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My thesis is that the popular use of the word doesn't track with the way NPD is understood in the therapeutic community, and that somebody should write an article about it. Specifically I think the term "grandiosity" is misused.

[shezbut]

People generally misuse a lot of terms that can hurt others, without really recognizing it.

For instance, how many times are people called "slow, "retarded", or "lame"? A LOT! Does it hurt? Yes, it does. Does it stop? No. Unfortunately not. A person just has to grit their teeth and bare it, really. Maybe someday general society will recognize that calling other people "narcissists" hurts others, and they'll stop. I do hope so. Until then, we just have to grit our teeth, do what we can to educate others & bare it.

I think society tends to see the term narcissistic in light of the Narcissus myth. So they tend to think of it as a superficial love of one's looks rather than a serious disorder.

Personally, given the layers of complexity in NPD I think narcissistic simply isn't the right word for this disorder.

[H-H-H-H]

Narcissistic Personality Disorder In-Depth

Stop Walking on Eggshells

Some will tell us there are studies with way more depth. Others will question why negotiating eggshells has relevance. People often debate niceties.

Narcissist and grandiosity have been determined by some professionals as attributes of my personality. For me, the important point is the behavior involved, and, what can be done to eliminate that which deludes and offends.

Different professionals have found I self-loathe.

What to do?

[Cygnus8548]

Originally Posted by BeteNoire

I think society tends to see the term narcissistic in light of the Narcissus myth. So they tend to think of it as a superficial love of one's looks rather than a serious disorder.

Personally, given the layers of complexity in NPD I think narcissistic simply isn't the right word for this disorder.

Two points: 1. I will bet that most people don't know the actual Narcissus myth (from Ovid?) but 2. This does show the tremendous gap between popular culture and technical psychology and diagnosis.

[Cygnus8548]

Originally Posted by H-H-H-H

Narcissistic Personality Disorder In-Depth

Stop Walking on Eggshells

Some will tell us there are studies with way more depth. Others will question why negotiating eggshells has relevance. People often debate niceties.

Narcissist and grandiosity have been determined by some professionals as attributes of my personality. For me, the important point is the behavior involved, and, what can be done to eliminate that which deludes and offends.

Different professionals have found I self-loathe.

What to do?

I would say the primitive popular definition of grandiosity should be if you think you are Napoleon or Joan of Arc, which you probably don't. So there is a lot of abuse of the whole area of narcissism by professionals, so if they use the term in reference to yourself, they must be off course. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Cygnus8548

Two points: 1. I will bet that most people don't know the actual Narcissus myth (from Ovid?)

Really? I thought it was one of the better known ones. Perhaps not in its entirety but I thought most people would at least know the gist of a guy who fell in love with his own reflection.

Maybe I'm just giving people too much credit lol

[eskielover]

I think people get arrogance & narcissism confused many times....there is definitely a difference.....but narcissists are definitely arrogant but not all arrogant people are narcissists.

There are a lot of misused terms. When I was trying to figure out what had been going on for 33 years in my marriage that had really been bothering me....if felt like emotional abuse....it felt like passive aggressive....but when I started looking into passive aggressive.....every person has times when they are passive aggressive & his behavior wasn't that way all the time. His arrogance was amazing at times & yet non-existent at others....I finally found out what the overall reason was for his behavior & it actually explained it all as it manifests itself in those different ways at different times. There are so many masks out there.....behaviors mask others as look alike. That's why it's so difficult to get an accurate diagnosis in the mental health community let alone the uneducated public getting it correct.....& sometimes it's a serious process of elimination.....I went through 7 years trying to figure out what I had been dealing with for the previous 33 years.

So many times dysfunction comes across as abuse also.....it's hard to accurately draw the lines & I don't think that professionals are always good at that either.

[Cygnus8548]

FYI: just ran across an article by Joan Accocella in the May 12, 2014 issue of the New Yorker discussing several recent books on NPD, including mention of the DSM aspect. See pages 77 to 81.

[Fuzzybear]

Originally Posted by eskielover

I think people get arrogance & narcissism confused many times....there is definitely a difference.....but narcissists are definitely arrogant but not all arrogant people are narcissists.

There are a lot of misused terms. When I was trying to figure out what had been going on for 33 years in my marriage that had really been bothering me....if felt like emotional abuse....it felt like passive aggressive....but when I started looking into passive aggressive.....every person has times when they are passive aggressive & his behavior wasn't that way all the time. His arrogance was amazing at times & yet non-existent at others....I finally found out what the overall reason was for his behavior & it actually explained it all as it manifests itself in those different ways at different times. There are so many masks out there.....behaviors mask others as look alike. That's why it's so difficult to get an accurate diagnosis in the mental health community let alone the uneducated public getting it correct.....& sometimes it's a serious process of elimination.....I went through 7 years trying to figure out what I had been dealing with for the previous 33 years.

So many times dysfunction comes across as abuse also.....it's hard to accurately draw the lines & I don't think that professionals are always good at that either.

[Open Eyes]

A lot of people don't even know there is such a thing as "good narcissism" and everyone has to have "some narcisism" to thrive.

[Mygrandjourney]

Originally Posted by Cygnus8548

In popular culture people use this term a lot but I don't think they understand what it is and are thus insulting others. The DSM 5 is very clear that it requires a feeling of "grandiosity" but I think it is unclear what this means and that not all have it in the classic sense. So this abuse should stop.

There's a big difference in the casual way the term "Narcissist (ic)" is used in popular venues v. the clinical diagnosis. I also see other diagnostic terms used to describe people and situations that don't match the clinical, DSM-5 diagnoses (such as "schizophrenic" "manic-depressive", "depression/depressed". Politicians and actors are often labelled as narcissistic in the media, whether or not the diagnosis fits.

[Cygnus8548]

Originally Posted by Mygrandjourney

There's a big difference in the casual way the term "Narcissist (ic)" is used in popular venues v. the clinical diagnosis. I also see other diagnostic terms used to describe people and situations that don't match the clinical, DSM-5 diagnoses (such as "schizophrenic" "manic-depressive", "depression/depressed". Politicians and actors are often labelled as narcissistic in the media, whether or not the diagnosis fits.

Excellent! This is exactly the point that I was (imperfectly) trying to make in my initial post here.