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We all have biases. Sometimes it's hard to admit it when we are wrong about something.
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I looked into the idea of free will for a while. First I read Sam Harris' book Free Will and was totally convinced: Harris's argument is that we live in a deterministic universe, therefore we can't have free will. We are merely doing what we were predetermined to do, Harris convinced me of this (you may even be able to find posts where I defend Harris' point of view). But, then I met a philosophy professor, and then started looking at the issue from other angles. I read Dennett's Elbow Room, then some books by Alfred Mele, and then some articles by Roy Baumeister. I also listened to several youtube videos by each of the above. I also learned that David Hume wrote about his views on free will. His conclusion? We may live in a deterministic universe, but we do also have free will. So, basically, it's argued that our species gradually evolved the ability for free will. We plan, we make decisions, we are responsible for what we do (morally and otherwise). And Harris may be convinced that it's all an illusion, but he hasn't actually made his case, as far as I'm concerned, other than continuously asserting "It isn't possible for free will to exist in a deterministic universe". Anyone else care to share what has surprised you? What were you wrong about? What did you change your mind about?
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My business is to teach my aspirations to conform themselves to fact, not to try and make facts harmonise with my aspirations. T.H. Huxley Last edited by shakespeare47; Jul 21, 2015 at 02:10 PM. |
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All right, this one is kind of embarrassing. I realized recently that there is a much more efficient way to mow my lawn. This is after mowing it the same way for 16 years.
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My business is to teach my aspirations to conform themselves to fact, not to try and make facts harmonise with my aspirations. T.H. Huxley |
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I'm surprised I just now realized that I spelled "surprise" wrong in the title.
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I was surprised to realize that I do have superstitions. I have the feeling that if I'm a good person, then I will be more likely to win the lottery, for example.
I also have this superstition that some people are just "luckier" than others, and are therefore more likely to win things like a lottery. I've fantasized about having certain specific people I see as "lucky", buy a lottery ticket for me.
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My business is to teach my aspirations to conform themselves to fact, not to try and make facts harmonise with my aspirations. T.H. Huxley |
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So, basically, it's argued that our species gradually evolved the ability for free will. We plan, we make decisions, we are responsible for what we do (morally and otherwise)
But do we? I don't think so. We do not choose our genes. We do not choose our parents. How many decisions do we really make? Most decisions are imposed upon us. One example; I wanted to go to uni. Parents said no, and stuck me in a factory (breakdown a year later) Chioce? Free will? All an illusion, people like to think they choose, but they don't. |
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I'm sorry to hear about your problems with your parents. Some parents just don't seem to get that they would be better off helping their children figure out for themselves what is best for them.
Billy Graham said that "the best way to help your children succeed in the world is to figure out what they like to do, and encourage them to do it". But all that is still secondary to the question, "do we have free will?" You appear to agree that we either have free will, or the illusion of free will. What makes you so sure it's an illusion?
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A good read on free will and common sense is some Thomas Paine
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I'm surprised in that I recently changed my mind about the Galileo Affair.
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My business is to teach my aspirations to conform themselves to fact, not to try and make facts harmonise with my aspirations. T.H. Huxley |
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