I'm referring to the major campaign in my country which covers women, children, but no men. Not even elderly males. Is it too wacky to suggest that domestic violence occurs everywhere, to all sexes and ages, although admittedly in different percentages?

I am also concerned by the suggestion that we are going to introduce relationship education from an early age (around 7 or 8) so that boys learn how to treat the opposite sex with respect. From a distance it sounds like a good idea but I am concerned that the far left are going to drive this to extremes. Teaching basic respect for others regardless of gender should be enough. We don't need political indoctrination at our schools in my opinion.

Thoughts?

[emwell]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. But. I live in America. Right now my focus is on trying to figure out which candidate for president will screw up this country the least.

My thought is that that's a shame. Domestic violence that turns deadly is a problem in the area where I live, and the victims are nearly 40% male. I saw a local poster recently saying that men are victims of domestic violence, too. I tried to find it online, but no luck.

Maybe if people sign a petition, the campaign will add men to the campaign? And regarding violence towards elders, does the campaign mention that specifically?

Regarding the second part of your post, are you concerned that the relationship education is going to be pushing the "all men are bad" agenda?

Men have it worse when it comes to receiving abuse because not only are men expected to not hit women even if said woman had a gun to your head, but nobody will come to the aid of a man who is being abused by a woman because people expect men to be strong and stoic.

Also, it's worth noting that where I live, most of the homeless shelters and sanctuaries won't even offer support to adult males unless they have a family even if said man was in a life or death situation and needed help ASAP.

I don't want to sound sexist, but I think women have it too easy in today's society. If you're a woman in need of help, people will come flocking to aid you, but if you're a man, good luck getting anybody to give a damn.

[amandalouise]

here in my location male victims of domestic violence is addressed. crisis centers go to area schools when the health classes and gym classes are working on this topic. At the crisis center where I work we get many male victims of many crimes including domestic violence. but statistics wise its the female category that is listed as more prevalent due to men rarely make police reports and rarely follow through with prosecuting their abusers. most men think they need to be strong and macho, take care of business. and many men were raised with the attitude of men dont cry, men dont complain, they be the man they pick their selves up by their boot straps and get on with business. with this kind of raising when they do encounter being domestically abused by their wives, partners, they are nore reluctant to report. with out their reporting they dont get tallied into the statistics, which in turn means those that go according to statistics rarely address this issue.

there are things you can do to help promote awareness on this issue like crisis agencies are always looking for volunteers.

Thank you all for your understanding response. I was expecting some backlash, and replies like 'boohoo' and 'why does it always have to be about men'.

[unlived]

I think the males being harmed are mostly being harmed in self defence.

And IT in our country (yes I remember where you are0 ANYONE can go to the cops and get AVO etc doesnt matter what their gender. zzzzzzzi have male friends who have AVOs out against their exes

Originally Posted by unlived

I think the males being harmed are mostly being harmed in self defence.

That's a separate issue, it doesn't mean there are any less males who are being abused, or the males who are abused are being done so in self defence.

Originally Posted by unlived

And IT in our country (yes I remember where you are0 ANYONE can go to the cops and get AVO

My question was about the campaigns, which seem to only include women and children. I don't doubt that the law is equitable, (on paper anyway) but it seems there is only awareness and information for abused women and children.

I don't want to sound sexist, but I think women have it too easy in today's society. If you're a woman in need of help, people will come flocking to aid you, but if you're a man, good luck getting anybody to give a damn.

Try to notice whether it's women with children who get this help. In my experience, there's not much difference between the amount of help for males or females when children aren't involved. The help seems to be allocated based more on problem: domestic violence victim, alcoholism or substance abuse recovery, HIV+/AIDs sufferer.

I'm sure the type of help available also varies from area to area within the US, since here, much of that type of help is run by 501(c), private, or religious organizations, rather than being government-run.

There is a lot of help in the area where I live for homeless men, partly because there are lots of veterans here. It's still not enough to help everyone who needs it, though.

One area where most of the US falls short is in providing help to homeless families. There are very few shelters that are equipped to let families stay there together.

Originally Posted by jo_thorne

Try to notice whether it's women with children who get this help. In my experience, there's not much difference between the amount of help for males or females when children aren't involved. The help seems to be allocated based more on problem: domestic violence victim, alcoholism or substance abuse recovery, HIV+/AIDs sufferer.

I'm sure the type of help available also varies from area to area within the US, since here, much of that type of help is run by 501(c), private, or religious organizations, rather than being government-run.

There is a lot of help in the area where I live for homeless men, partly because there are lots of veterans here. It's still not enough to help everyone who needs it, though.

One area where most of the US falls short is in providing help to homeless families. There are very few shelters that are equipped to let families stay there together.

Where I live, one of the main shelters specifically states that they will not take single adult males but they don't say that they won't accept single adult females, children, or elders. I know that a lot of other places are like that too.

Even if many places wouldn't take single females, I still think that women (especially attractive ones) have an overwhelming advantage. They can garner the sympathy of just about anybody because of their looks and sexuality and get help easily should they be disadvantaged.

They can use their sexuality to make money (I'm not even talking about prostitution or any other kind of sex) to get ahead.

To give you an extreme example of what I mean: I actually knew a woman who used to be poor and lived in a cheap extended stay hotel and developed an income equal to a six figure salary off of anonymous web cam whoring (she wore a mask and didn't reveal any personally identifying information) and anonymously selling dirty underwear on the internet (there are actually men who pay $50+ for some woman's dirty panties and $100+ dollars for a special order such as semen stains, skid marks, or worn for several days). I'm dead serious, look it up if you don't believe me. The main website that does this even offer to pay via Amazon gift cards so the user can remain completely anonymous and only asks you to submit pictures of your body without your face in your underwear to prove that you're a female.

In short, even if a woman can't get help from the system, there is no excuse to be on the street as a female because of how big of an advantage that you have.

I'm not a sexist by any means and I believe that women deserve equal rights by all means, but I don't think it's fair that they have such a huge advantage over men.

[nicoleflynn]

I am a amoderator of an abused survivors' group; my statistics show that 1 in 3 women will be physically assaulted in their lifetime, and it all begins with verbal abuse; I have been working hard for 15 years to speak on National Television, and presented my paper, Society's Hidden Pandemic, Verbal Abuse, Precursor to Physical Violence and a Form of Biochemical Assault at my State's Counseling Association. If anyone would like a copy of the paper, I would be happy to send it and/or you can e-mail me, also: carleton@oakland.edu.....did you know that with verbal abuse (alone) that the brain can phsyically change?!

[*Laurie*]

Originally Posted by DarknessIsMyFriend

Men have it worse when it comes to receiving abuse because not only are men expected to not hit women even if said woman had a gun to your head, but nobody will come to the aid of a man who is being abused by a woman because people expect men to be strong and stoic.

Also, it's worth noting that where I live, most of the homeless shelters and sanctuaries won't even offer support to adult males unless they have a family even if said man was in a life or death situation and needed help ASAP.

I don't want to sound sexist, but I think women have it too easy in today's society. If you're a woman in need of help, people will come flocking to aid you, but if you're a man, good luck getting anybody to give a damn.

You're joking, right? Or perhaps you don't live where I live. Without going into great detail, I have personally experienced a woman being arrested for SCRATCHING a man who was a chronically abusive, sick individual, a tweeker who charmed and lied through his teeth to the cops. In California there is zero tolerance for domestic violence and women are held every bit as responsible for that as men are - except that when you get male cops involved they often take the side of the man, in my experience.

No, I cannot agree with this post. I recognize that there is violence toward men but the fact remains: Statistically, women are subjected to far more violence than men are.

And yet even with souch an advantage women still get paid 70c to every $1 a man earns and a female shirt is still $40 to a mans $20 ( Where i live) they are paid even less in sport here as they dont even make minimum wage. Womens prior sexual history is apperantly relevant to if it was her fault she got raped. Because men arent expected to be as in control of their sexual urges and the legal system is still full of old laws that privilege men. also there is an excuse for women to be homeless because the shelters wouldn't be so over populated if their partners didnt abuse them.

I dont not have a problem with the op's statment that violence against men is important to but i reject that women have an advantage in society.

[BrianBillKen]

Thank you for sharing your idea.And mine is that this is a shame. I think most of the wounded men wounded self-defense.

[Tauren]

I think it's because there is such a huge stigma against men admitting it's abuse. I know one man whose girlfriend put him in the hospital twice, and he still insisted on referring to it as "having a fight."

I mean, dude, if she has a baseball bat and you don't, that's not a "fight."

I definitely wouldn't say men have it worse though. Sure we try to teach them not to hit, but the fact is they're bigger and stronger and there's a significant portion of the population that believes women have to obey them or else.

[Rose76]

Men do get abused, and that should be talked about in a program of education. One thing you say is factually wrong. Physical abuse of women by men is a way, way bigger problem than physical abuse of men by women. There is a straightforward reason for that: males are far stronger than females, from about the age of 11. It's not a level playing field.

I do agree that teaching mutual respect should be part of these programs. Not everyone will agree with me, but I think that girls specifically need to be taught that they mature faster than boys and have a responsibility to use that to avoid being in risky situations with boys.

As somebody who practices martial arts for fun, I can tell you that raw physical strength is meaningless on it's own in a fight and women can have just as big of an advantage in a fight as a man if she is trained. Men with large amounts of muscle mass are the easiest to take down because their attacks are so slow. I would encourage any woman that I know to train in martial arts and self defense classes but that's just me.

Regardless, great replies guys even if I might not agree with all of them

Originally Posted by LauraBeth

You're joking, right? Or perhaps you don't live where I live. Without going into great detail, I have personally experienced a woman being arrested for SCRATCHING a man who was a chronically abusive, sick individual, a tweeker who charmed and lied through his teeth to the cops. In California there is zero tolerance for domestic violence and women are held every bit as responsible for that as men are - except that when you get male cops involved they often take the side of the man, in my experience.

No, I cannot agree with this post. I recognize that there is violence toward men but the fact remains: Statistically, women are subjected to far more violence than men are.

No, I live in southern USA and it is a common thought process here to think women are these weak and fragile creatures that are unable to defend themselves and men should be tough and stoic. Be thankful you live somewhere where people have more than two brain cells to rub together

[*Laurie*]

Well Darkness, the thing is just what you mentioned...if a woman is trained she can match a man in strength. Unfortunately, most women are not trained in that way.

Yes, but even if she isn't trained, she can just as easily get the upper hand by utilizing a weapon such as a knife, baseball bat, or even a gun. She also has an advantage when reporting the abuse even if she is the one doing the abusing herself because the legal system (from my experience) almost always sides with the woman when it comes to domestic issues or deciding visitation rights for children or dividing assets upon a divorce.

Anyways, I didn't mean to derail this thread nor did I mean to come across as sexist or arrogant and if I did, my apologies

In my experience it's not about who is bigger, but who is crazier. It's hard to stop someone who is raving mad at you from disrupting your life when you just want to live peacefully, whether it's a female or male.

[Moogieotter]

As usual, Toilet, I enjoy your viewpoint.

I once worked with a fella who was abused physically and emotionally by his wife. I once asked him where his wife was from. His reply was "mean"

moogs

Originally Posted by emwell

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. But. I live in America. Right now my focus is on trying to figure out which candidate for president will screw up this country the least.

DID YOU HEAR THAT KANYE WEST IS RUNNING?
KIM KARDASHIAN AS FIRST LADY? PLS NO.

[possum220]

I also live in Australia. The tv campaign about domestic violence does not show that males can be victims. This is a woeful oversite by the organization and should be addressed immediately.

[unlived]

Originally Posted by possum220

I also live in Australia. The tv campaign about domestic violence does not show that males can be victims. This is a woeful oversite by the organization and should be addressed immediately.

And do the breast cancer ads show males? No. Theyre going for the ones who are most represented.