age of dying

I don't think it's wrong Raging Vortex. I think your feelings are your feelings and your life is your life. One thought though (I don't know your current age): what if great happiness and peace are in your future either right around age 50 or beyond? What if there are remarkable people you've have not yet met who will bring tremendous love and laughter to your life? Would that possibility change your feelings at all?

I agree, messages of hope are important

Maybe some of us really don’t want to live that long though

I understand you Fuzzybear. And I honor each individual's personal truth.

For myself (and possibly some others) it's a fairly depressing thought in and of itself to be told that I will not live a long life simply because I live with mental health issues. That's an opinion; not a fact. I also don't appreciate generalizations about people living with mental health concerns. We are each just as unique as everyone else on the planet. Personally, I don't see humanity as divided into "normal" people and "mentally ill" people. We all have our strengths and our challenges. We reside along a continuum of wellness...our place on the continuum shifts throughout our lifetime with different challenges and successes...anxieties and hopes...sorrows and joys.
For example, every human regardless of their prior history will wrestle at some point with awareness of their mortality. Everyone will lose someone they love and encounter the deep pain of grief.

Though I do accept that for some people, the prospect of a short life could present like a dream or a huge relief. Peace to all

Yes. Looks like she might be receiving one from herself in eight more years too. God bless her soul.

@raging vortex:

I believe there are countries that are pro euthanasia but you need to have very good grounds to make that step. I read in the news fairly recently that a chronically alcoholic man ended his journey this way.

But choosing a cut off date - and I appreciate where you're coming from raging vortex - I doubt would ever be supported by law in a any country. If I may say so, it does sound as if your main concern is lack of motivation. Understandable perhaps. But there must be things beyond the four walls of your living space, beyond the supermarket, that you'd like to do? Just ponder that for a few minutes...

Is there any statistics on people with mental illness not living long? I doubt this kind of data collection could even exist because ton of people have undiagnosed or wrongly diagnosed mental illness and most of the time you don’t even know who has mental illness unless someone has something so severe that it’s very obvious. And people with mental health issues often don’t want others to know. So I really doubt there is any validity to a statement that people with MI don’t live long

After seeing what happened to my mother I think perhaps 75 to 81.

I did see on an HBO documentary (I think) where someone committed assisted suicide on camera. It was sad but I do think very peaceful.

silver trees, maybe so

I guess the question then is, are you willing to wait that long?

how much pain can you take before you've had enough?

yes... you could potentially



do you know what I'm saying?

it's okay saying oh, things might get better in X amount of years, but then like I say, the question is can you wait it out that long

I think if my life was to take any positive direction, for example, I would need the help of a magic lamp (and even then I'm sure the genie would find it hard)

at mote of soul, yes, god bless the queen. the royal family do live to good old ages (I guess it's something in the blood)

as for the comment about euthanasia,



but despite my intense fears of flying and airports, I've not dismissed the idea of it.

I do see what you're saying Raging Vortex. I think you and I fundamentally look at our lives in different ways. I don't look that far down the road. Lately, I very much focus on the present. When I feel down or anxious I ask myself what would make that moment or that day better for me. I find that I'm happier with this way of thinking. You have what sounds like anticipatory anxiety....you are fearful of years of future misery...you are convinced that you can never be happy...do I have that right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

There was a doctor talking about depression one day. He was speaking with a severely depressed patient who said he no longer wished to live. The doctor asked him: "Is it that you no longer wish to be alive or that you no longer wish to feel the way you feel?" I am wondering how you would answer that question, RV. (You don't have to answer that, just an idea)

I emphasize that I am not trying to change your mind or negate your truth. I'm just speaking as someone who was so miserable for so many years and recently found a new hope and a new perspective which is a major relief. If I could help someone else find such a relief, I'd gladly do so. Though I respect people's boundaries and individual perspectives.

May I ask your belief system, RV? If you end your life, where do you think you'll be going or will you simply cease to exist?

"I guess the question then is, are you willing to wait that long?"

Why wait? Why not start building your happiness skills today?

Hugs to all

I wouldn’t select a cut off age of 50... but I get where you’re coming from raging vortex

I did see the program about

This is a very good question,

((((((( SilverTrees )))))))

I too have always tried not to

I might ask the mods to delete my posts, I don’t think they add anything to the discussion, Hugs to all I’m definitely not looking for advice. (Or “attention” ) Sorry to raging vortex and SilverTrees for any “hijack”

I guess the discussion triggered my “snake” - I usually don’t share any of this stuff with anyone

I haven't seen this documentary you're talking about, so I have to ask:

I believe that it’s “intolerable suffering” long term .. with no “hope” of “cure”- obviously different people would define this in different ways - mainly physical illnesses but in some cases mental illnesses also.

Is a doctor the only way FuzzyBear? You said that didn't work for you. That's okay. There are lots of things to try. I wish you peace.

You are okay FuzzyBear. Take a breath. You aren't horrible. You are okay. Breathe. You are not alone.

I would only do it for reasons related to physical health.

I don't know DownandLonely. I thought it was only legal in cases of terminal illness. I have not seen the documentary.

Where did that happen Emily? Which country? It's really quite shocking.

Ack I wanted to hide that stuff ,, can someone help me out, I apparently don't know how to.

I think it was netherlands. It really made me think.

She had no physical problems, only depression? How old was she? It was chronic?

May she rest in peace.

I think it was depression (chronic) and no physical problems.

I agree. May she rest in peace.

Thank you SilverTrees

I definitely haven’t had much luck with doctors. Understatement Physical issues or psychological

Very complicated and severe allergies to many things, including meds. And other physical stuff (scary)

Other than avoidance, maybe my best “hope” currently of treating anything would (might) be a private therapist or counsellor (we could afford it, but barely)