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#21
I've met mostly sarcastic and emotionally apathetic nurses during my previous hospitalization. Seems like they were told not to be soft on patients in case they get taken advantage of or being interfered in their jobs.
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I don't think 'acting out' is the right phrase, as if we accept we are unwell and have an illness how our symptoms present themselves is not a choice, it's not 'bad behaviour', certainly not any more than any 'bad behaviour' in the so called normal general population. Where I do agree is that when we are unwell our perception is sometimes confused, certainly mine was so am still not sure if my confidentiality was breached by staff or not, but I could 'hear' staff abusing me very clearly one way or another, when I was under section and seen as a danger to myself. Nurses and all mh staff are just as subject to societal stigma as everyone else, and they can often interpret our actions as 'acting out', and 'bad behaviour'. I have heard some dreadful attitudes from nurses towards patients. Maybe they become jaded with the ins and out of their job, but I don't think the current system was built on an empathetic attitude towards those with mental illness, more that of contempt and fear. It is based on how much of a risk we are seen as to ourselves and others rather than how best to resolve our psychological trauma in order that we will be permanently helped and hopefully healed from it. The medical model of course is not based around cure, rather maintenance and management of symptoms, as cure would mean discontinuation of treatment (usually meds) and loss of profits to those who make money out of illness. |
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I battled breast cancer two years ago and spent a lot of time on medical units. Some of the nurses were kind. Some were all business. Every one of them was about giving me the treatment I was getting and moving on. I literally was too sick to care whether they talked to me or were attentive emotionally. It's different on a psych unit. So much of what helps heal comes through communication and compassion. We may want an empathetic ear but they have 40 patients to take care of and make sure are safe. Psych units are all about moving from one patient's crisis to another's. Not a lot of room for empathetic listening when all you are doing is crisis management.
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I have to disagree about acting out behavior. I've seen some horrendous behavior by patients on psych units toward staff and its not ok. Physically attacking, getting in people's faces and screaming at them, pounding on nursing room glass and swearing, or threatening to kill their children when you don't get what you want fast enough are examples of bad behavior and not illness. I have been wildly manic but I never abused a staff member, assaulted someone, or threatened to kill their children. Be serious people, not all behavior is because of illness. That attitude is how stigma gets born.
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I have also heard and seen this kind of behavior and I truly empathize with the professionals when it happens. I think overtime, personal investment into a patient might be cause for injury when things like this happen. A nurse would be traumatized if they had their kids threatened. Perhaps this is why so many do not engage patients on a deep level. When institutionalized, a lot of the time those who are in the hospital are dealing with a lot of stress, which makes them prone to outbursts when they are treated poorly by hospital staff. I think the point people are trying to make is that they don't give hospital staff any reason to be rude and abusive towards them, yet they are. Whether it is empathy burnout, compassion fatigue, or just an abusive narcissistic nurse on a bad day, it is far too easy to abuse a patient without repurcussions. I have been grossly mistreated even though I haven't done anything to deserve it. Some people are just abusive. The culture in healthcare unfortunately hasn't been the best when looked at under a microscope. Thanks, HD7970ghz __________________ "stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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I've never been in a hospital or ward with really violent patients, and I can understand why nurses would be gun shy if they had been threatened, etc.
I just think if someone is suicidal, they don't need a nurse being mean to them. |
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My only expectation for any nurse, psych or oncology, is that they act professionally and meet my medical or psychiatric needs appropriately. I try to give them each respect at all times and I keep my demands to what I absolutely need. On the psych unit I'd leave it up to the staff to know the difference between true illness and bad behavior in individual patients. Illness needs to be treated. Bad behavior should be addressed and stopped. I think psych patients have a heightened need for empathy and compassion. It's the nature of our suffering. We have to accept though that this need cannot always be met on a unit of 40 other people with the same needs.
I think a solution to this gap in empathy is to have inpatient individual therapy. This gives we patients one person we can feel really hears us and can report our needs back to staff and our psychiatrists. I know it's an expense for some facilities, but individual therapy sessions during the week could go a long way toward reducing the tension between needful patients and overworked staff. |
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the extra therapy would be nice if it could be afforded...so many areas already face limits due to no beds available or a long wait.
again the behavior I believe some psych patients present with while in the hospital is just awful. just because you are hospitalized doesn't give you the right to act out. yes at times some folks do because of their illness, b ut not all. some feel if they act "crazy" they will get more food, attention, freedom" etc., acting out helps no one. staff are tied up dealing with those folks and their bs needs and then not being able to treat those with real ones. do nurses get frustrated? ya think??? if I had someone who was just bored banging on a window screaming at me to tell me they are bored for hours...do you think that might effect my disposition? |
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I agree, some patients are a real pain. I've not been one of them.
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And tbh I haven’t crossed paths with psych nurses. Only doctors and therapists (far out in the wilds somewhere ) Why are we not respected for speaking our truth.... rhetorical question only. __________________ |
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#33
Once a psych nurse told me "You think you are sooooo cool because you left your parents, but you are just a naughty kid"
(my parents were abusive, it was the first time I saw that nurse, I didn't do anything to her -or anyone-...) I was colouring a book when she told me that... pretty nasty is colouring... __________________ Crazy, inside and aside Meds: bye bye meds CPTSD and some sort of depression and weird perceptions "Outwardly: dumbly, I shamble about, a thing that could never have been known as human, a
thing whose shape is so alien a travesty that humanity becomes more obscene for the vague resemblance." I have no mouth and I must scream -Harlan Ellison- |
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#34
I had one nurse tell the group of us that it was our fault we were in the hospital. She hosted groups for us. People say movies like Girl Interrupted and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest are stereotypes but I've seen a lot of patients and nurses like characters in those movies in the hospital. Obviously, not everyone's experiences are the same but I can relate to those movies with my experiences, as well as books like The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath, or the book of the same name, Girl Interrupted by Susanna Kaysen.
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I once had one tell me:
so, do you need anything or not. their are other people on the ward, you know. not just you |
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I've had a few talk down to me, one saying you don't know nothing, who's the expert here
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I had 1 girl who really hated me, so when ever she'd walk in to the room, she'd turn to face me and fart and go, " ah, that's better"
in fact: this same girl didn't believe that I was ready to be discharged and told me that she was going to keep me in for another night. I told her that actually it had been cleared with another nurse that I'm ready for discharge, she went to check and came back all red faced and is like.. um yeah, she said you're ready to go I'm like haha, told you so- and she shouted at me for "being rude". |
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#38
Psychiatric nurses are dealing with all kinds of problems. For one, the healthcare system culture is rife with abuses. Most definitely they are eventually burdened with empathy burnout and compassion fatigue. While they get into the industry to help, overtime they can become corrupted and begin to project further abuses to those who are vulnerable and in need of help. This is a classic and well documented problem. I could go on and on and I have already posted on this thread, but if anyone would like to know more about the cultural and systemic problems, know that psychiatric nurses are not the only ones guilty of abuse.
Thanks, HD7970ghz __________________ "stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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#39
I have been IP 3 times in my life (the most recent last November). I can honestly count on one hand the number of kind psych nurses I've had. The rest seemed to go out of their way to be mean. And I have always been a cooperative patient, so that wasn't the problem.
There is no job that's easy. I think being an employee in McDonald's is way harder than being a psych nurse, but look at the difference in pay and benefits. To me, psych nurses have zero reason to be rotten to people who are already going through hell. There are plenty of other jobs if a psych nurse is burned out. __________________ |
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I agree.
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