Can the mental hospital force me Into a group home?

Taragonos33 · Apr 05, 2020, 11:59 AM

Can the mental hospital force me into a group home against my will? I dont want in a group home for adults because i fear losing my rights there. Because i fear that its more prison than home. Because there are group homes were you arent even allowed to go outside alone, or not going outside at all. Because there are group homes were relationsships are forbidden inside as well as outside. Because they can isolate you. Because they decide over your life completely and it doesnt matter what you think. Because you have no rights there. Because private posessions will be severely limited. Its not much better than a mental hospital, if at all. So can they just force in such a group home? What happens if i dont cooperate?

sophiebunny · Apr 05, 2020, 12:27 PM

Usually when you reach the point of needing a group home you no longer control your own medical care. People in group homes almost always have guardians, either appointed by the court or a family member. The guardians make the final decision since you've been deemed incapable of making your own decisions. If you are still making your own medical decisions, they cannot force you against your will. They can recommend but they can't force you. If they feel strongly you need a group home, they could petition the court for a guardian. That would be the only way they could force you.

Taragonos33 · 04:05 PM

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Usually when you reach the point of needing a group home you no longer control your own medical care. People in group homes almost always have guardians, either appointed by the court or a family member. The guardians make the final decision since you've been deemed incapable of making your own decisions. If you are still making your own medical decisions, they cannot force you against your will. They can recommend but they can't force you. If they feel strongly you need a group home, they could petition the court for a guardian. That would be the only way they could force you.

And you have no rights at all in such a group home, ist that correct? They could basically lock you in their room? They could seize your personal posessions, stop, or break up relationsships, and isolate you from the outside, exactly? Its basically a prison there?

So group homes are basically prison?

sophiebunny · Apr 05, 2020, 09:40 PM

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And you have no rights at all in such a group home, ist that correct? They could basically lock you in their room? They could seize your personal posessions, stop, or break up relationsships, and isolate you from the outside, exactly? Its basically a prison there?

So group homes are basically prison?

Group homes are an alternative to permanent hospitalization. They try to create a home atmosphere for people, but everything you do is monitored. There is 24/7 staff on the facility. I wouldn't call it a prison, but their purpose is to keep people who cannot take care of themselves safe. I have 2 family members in group homes for schizophrenia. They go on outings. Take them shopping. Got to the movies. Take trips to the park. The group home staff does its best to make the atmosphere comfortable. However, it is a confined setting. You cannot come and go as you please and there are strict rules on what you can own and not own. There is usually a psychiatrist who makes rounds to group homes so their is consistant psychiatric care. Things like meal prep and laundry are done by residents but always supervised. The staff controls access to all medication. Romantic relationships between group home residents are not allowed for safety reasons. Often people in group homes aren't competent to give consent so romantic relationships are strongly discouraged.

Taragonos33 · Apr 06, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Group homes are an alternative to permanent hospitalization. They try to create a home atmosphere for people, but everything you do is monitored. There is 24/7 staff on the facility. I wouldn't call it a prison, but their purpose is to keep people who cannot take care of themselves safe. I have 2 family members in group homes for schizophrenia. They go on outings. Take them shopping. Got to the movies. Take trips to the park. The group home staff does its best to make the atmosphere comfortable. However, it is a confined setting. You cannot come and go as you please and there are strict rules on what you can own and not own. There is usually a psychiatrist who makes rounds to group homes so their is consistant psychiatric care. Things like meal prep and laundry are done by residents but always supervised. The staff controls access to all medication. Romantic relationships between group home residents are not allowed for safety reasons. Often people in group homes aren't competent to give consent so romantic relationships are strongly discouraged.

What? Doesnt that violate human rights? Youre basically locked up there right? And you cant escape right? What happens if you try to escape? They cant even leave the group home alone right?

I dont want this! What about relationships outside? What if youre already in a relationsship? Will this be broken up?

sophiebunny · Apr 06, 2020, 05:34 PM

What violates human rights is not providing safety for people who cannot care for themselves.

bpcyclist · Apr 06, 2020, 08:22 PM

Do you need to be in the hospital, from a psychiatric, medical, brain-health point of view? From a safety-for-yourself or safety-for-others point of view? From a -taking-care-of-basic-activities-of-daily-living point of view? What about a setting with less support than the hospital, but more than you are able to provide for yourself-currently--all the same questions for that scenario? Honestly answer those questions for yourself.

Taragonos33 · Apr 06, 2020, 11:57 PM

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What violates human rights is not providing safety for people who cannot care for themselves.

So they will break up already existing relationships yes? When necessarily by force? Btw. Im absolutely able to consent. And not all group homes are they same, right? It makes Sense to ban relationsships if theyre severely disabled. But im not severely disabled.

sophiebunny · Apr 07, 2020, 12:28 AM

I see you live in Switzerland. I live in the States. There may be country by country differences. That I cannot speak to.

Taragonos33 · Apr 07, 2020, 07:00 AM

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I see you live in Switzerland. I live in the States. There may be country by country differences. That I cannot speak to.

So in the US you have basically no rights there?

Taragonos33 · Apr 07, 2020, 10:32 AM

Where i will be going it wont be a 24/7 group home, no theyre only 4 hours a day there i believe. So it wont be that strict. It wont be that you cant eben go outside alone.

ReveuseTroublee · Jan 26, 2021, 02:11 PM

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Can the mental hospital force me into a group home against my will? I dont want in a group home for adults because i fear losing my rights there. Because i fear that its more prison than home. Because there are group homes were you arent even allowed to go outside alone, or not going outside at all. Because there are group homes were relationsships are forbidden inside as well as outside. Because they can isolate you. Because they decide over your life completely and it doesnt matter what you think. Because you have no rights there. Because private posessions will be severely limited. Its not much better than a mental hospital, if at all. So can they just force in such a group home? What happens if i dont cooperate?

It can. A friend of mine is going through that right now and they threatened me with it.

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