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Old May 25, 2013, 09:31 AM
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New member here -- howdy, everyone.

Wondering if anyone has seen improvement/healing over time after quitting SSRIs. Does the brain heal itself from dependence on meds? The docs tell me neurotransmitters can regenerate but it can take 9-12 months. That's a long time to endure depression, but it's a familiar battle (I've taken SSRIs, mostly Paxil, for half my life -- now 45).

I got off Paxil 5 months ago, gradually and under careful supervision (made it through the brain zaps and all that crap). Initially I was doing fine but after about 3 months the depression returned. I am trying to be tough (I come from a family of stoics) but also do lots of self-care (exercise, time in nature, support from friends, etc.) and see my psychiatrist regularly (he usually just agrees with whatever I want to do). I'm trying to stick it out another few months (summer weather should help) but it's hard.

I long bought into the mentality that "you just have to accept lifelong medication, it's a chemical imbalance like diabetes." But I've never been comfortable with the medicalized model of what is at least in part an existential/spiritual issue (who wouldn't be depressed in today's world?!). It freaks me out how many people take these heavily-advertised meds. Plus I'm tired of the side effects, and never intended a temporary support to become permanent. And (like everyone here) I'm concerned about the unknown long-term effects.

Does anyone who's "been there, done that" have some perspective on life after antidepressants?
I really want to know how this turns out for you, as I have same desire to find alternative routes...

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Old May 25, 2013, 01:30 PM
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I gave answers. You ignore them. How many times I need to repeat "eat well, mood foods, bach essense (worked marvelously for me...), herbal supplements (I posted a lot on them), getting spirituality right, getting life right, dealing with past traumas and issues, organizing your life to suit your needs, even if it means disappointing parents who wanted you to have white collar job..." I earlier on posted advice on coming off safely. Point is... you can do lot for yourself if the mainstream fails... and I speak for those for whom it fails

You can check where I post the most. I am bipolar, have various anxiety issues, unresolved grief issues, general problems with life, suspected borderline traits..., I suspect some trauma issues... Pretty much more issues National Geographic.

my beef with meds is that people expect universal answer from them... when it's just a mind altering substances... which is fine if you don't see it as anything more. My beef is when somebody posts "how to come off, **** don't work" and get "meds are wonderful" as reply. My beef is scare mongering with suicide if you don't do them.
ok, lets have a go, but you should have given up with Jane Fonda she saw sence in the end. 1 herbal suppliments no way to expencive and dont work only on hobits, 2 tramas , issuies,set your life out to suit your needs, ye right wife and 4 kids thats dead easy,3 coming off meds safely, thats no big deal if you dont need them if you do could cost your life,5 spirituality, now your scaring me , you mean like lord of the rings type stuff my precious. 6 you said you like your drugs in at night out in morning , that dont happen and what you doing wrekky drugs for, your life is wonderful.7 your mental history reads like you have the hole mental spectrum i dont no how you get out of bed without a green tea,8 suicide on meds happen they can give people the guts they always wanted to kill themself, those that dont want to, hopefully become well to a degree with the help of there meds. You are very angry with just about everything ie life , love, politics, yourself, next doors cat , ect ect. People want to hear about the meds there taking, not all need them is true but us who do dont want to hear about the negative every time you post, you love your herbs an gothic spirits, and cats ,if your so anti med ,dont talk about them its simple , i think you need love
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Old May 25, 2013, 01:48 PM
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And I am not giving up... since it's working for me. No idea about Jane Fonda.

Gonna address just what I could comprehend in your rant.

Spirituality is very complex thing. If it's scares you, eh.

coming off meds safely is an issue. Withdrawal call kill you... or make you feel "i really need these meds, even if they make me worse, i went off and was horrible".

I use stronger **** than green too to get out of bed. Guarana is a dope And again, centuries proven. Caffeine too. And don't underestimate green tea. Is hella healthy.

my life is not wonderful at the moment, but I rather need possibility to move, a fullfilling job... not a pill that will make me feel happy being unemployed and not using my skills.

and you are pro-med and tell people how meds are wonderful even they are coming off or feeling horrible and how they should love meds and be on them or they are not "truly ill". It's distressing and not supportive. At least I offer alternatives. And I don't love gothic spirits, gah.

And I may be angry... but at least I can spell my anger well.
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Old May 25, 2013, 02:05 PM
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And I am not giving up... since it's working for me. No idea about Jane Fonda.

Gonna address just what I could comprehend in your rant.

Spirituality is very complex thing. If it's scares you, eh.

coming off meds safely is an issue. Withdrawal call kill you... or make you feel "i really need these meds, even if they make me worse, i went off and was horrible".

I use stronger **** than green too to get out of bed. Guarana is a dope And again, centuries proven. Caffeine too. And don't underestimate green tea. Is hella healthy.

my life is not wonderful at the moment, but I rather need possibility to move, a fullfilling job... not a pill that will make me feel happy being unemployed and not using my skills.

and you are pro-med and tell people how meds are wonderful even they are coming off or feeling horrible and how they should love meds and be on them or they are not "truly ill". It's distressing and not supportive. At least I offer alternatives. And I don't love gothic spirits, gah.

And I may be angry... but at least I can spell my anger well.
You are not the educated or would have spotted i was dyslexic, that was a cheap shot i new would come, just took a little more time the expected, you proved me right goodbye.
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Old May 25, 2013, 02:10 PM
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You are not the educated or would have spotted i was dyslexic, that was a cheap shot i new would come, just took a little more time the expected, you proved me right goodbye.
dear, I am a dysletic too. Learned to speak in two languages. I went to cheap shot after multiple insults thrown at me.

Problem with understanding you is, you often simply do not make sense, are too self-focused and going in circles and don't adress what was actually said.
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Old May 26, 2013, 03:31 AM
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dear, I am a dysletic too. Learned to speak in two languages. I went to cheap shot after multiple insults thrown at me.

Problem with understanding you is, you often simply do not make sense, are too self-focused and going in circles and don't adress what was actually said.
Even in dyslexia you have to go one better , I taught myself to read and write, not very well and still dont do gramma , you see i have been ill since childhood and regular school was not an option. CAN I JUST SAY COFFEE ????? you say you drink alot, mmmm bipolar /coffee is one of the worst things to bring on mania , thats in the bipolar hand book. Give the pot a stir a bat fell out
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Old May 26, 2013, 03:59 AM
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Even in dyslexia you have to go one better , I taught myself to read and write, not very well and still dont do gramma , you see i have been ill since childhood and regular school was not an option. CAN I JUST SAY COFFEE ????? you say you drink alot, mmmm bipolar /coffee is one of the worst things to bring on mania , thats in the bipolar hand book. Give the pot a stir a bat fell out

Eh, coffee is not as bad for mania as SSRIs Not proud of my caffeine addiction, but seems the least harmful things around. And I am a person with this quirk, not a damn handbook.

I also wonder what is the illness that didn't allow you to go to school but let you work later on the life and live so long. Any isn't school attendance compulsary in UK? Can't you just let a kid not go to school and teach themselves how to read and write? Maybe you are right, but as it stands, something doesn't add up.

Btw, did you have to teach yourself how to insult others? Because your witch insults don't work that well. I recently came from White Carpathians... and people do respect witches majorly there. I guess it's cause they don't think in 16th century terms. Shamans and witches are the hot thing in some circles. Good you see me in the terms, I wouldn't quite classify myself so highly
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Old May 26, 2013, 12:39 PM
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Eh, coffee is not as bad for mania as SSRIs Not proud of my caffeine addiction, but seems the least harmful things around. And I am a person with this quirk, not a damn handbook.

I also wonder what is the illness that didn't allow you to go to school but let you work later on the life and live so long. Any isn't school attendance compulsary in UK? Can't you just let a kid not go to school and teach themselves how to read and write? Maybe you are right, but as it stands, something doesn't add up.

Btw, did you have to teach yourself how to insult others? Because your witch insults don't work that well. I recently came from White Carpathians... and people do respect witches majorly there. I guess it's cause they don't think in 16th century terms. Shamans and witches are the hot thing in some circles. Good you see me in the terms, I wouldn't quite classify myself so highly
Pardon you take a AD with a mood stablizer for bipolar , ssri,s are used . Coffee addiction would put you in perminent mania. Off course i was registered at school but i was hardly ever there illness then was anxierty that shown itself in many forms, ie skin disease, breathing probs,speech disorder, ect ect
, ocourse it wasnt put down to that till i was older has depression follows anxierty and all the phyisical probs were being caused by mental illness. Has for work i was a bricklayer more physical than mental work ,i could never read a plan for many years relied on others. Then i was given BENZO,S that calmed me down enough to learn plan reading and learn what i missed at school. Then took your favorit PROZAC and it transformed my life to near normal as anyone can be. Just because i was dyslexic and couldent read or write didnt mean i was stupid ., i missed out through illness not illiterate. I had many relationships and produced many off spring made megga money and have wife kids grandkids the hole package, held togeather with MEDICATION , sure its been a rough road for all around me but they love me you see, im off to the shrink next friday for six month check up that,s about 30 years now, so all in all meds have held my il lness in remission on and off where has when young it ran rampant without them. Does that help you understand a littlemore.
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Old May 26, 2013, 01:06 PM
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Yes, it does. And you come of humane actually, if you don't use cheap witch jabs at me.

But I don't think your family is held together by medication. There's gotta be something in you. Many are in medication and their marriages fail still. Give yourself some damn credit

and as for pernament mania... doesn't sound so bad, eh... but it's kinda not happening. I guess my natural downers are kinda moodstabilizers for me... or something. I had used it for very long so I have bit of tolerance. Not everybody with BP reacts horribly to caffeine though. It's kinda scare of some of the blogs (I'd be pernamently in hospital if all these scary stories were true).
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Old May 26, 2013, 01:21 PM
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Yes, it does. And you come of humane actually, if you don't use cheap witch jabs at me.

But I don't think your family is held together by medication. There's gotta be something in you. Many are in medication and their marriages fail still. Give yourself some damn credit

and as for pernament mania... doesn't sound so bad, eh... but it's kinda not happening. I guess my natural downers are kinda moodstabilizers for me... or something. I had used it for very long so I have bit of tolerance. Not everybody with BP reacts horribly to caffeine though. It's kinda scare of some of the blogs (I'd be pernamently in hospital if all these scary stories were true).
You see how a good debate gets people to no each other, if the mods sometimes let things ride , the posters becove involed in each other.You did set yourself up for the cheap shots , no malice was ment plus you came back at me i like that. Anyway i like you you querky and spunky, the jane fonder bit was she was a anti veitnam campainer to the max , i was compearing her to you. i like her better has barbraella the first sexy space fantacy. see you new friend
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Hey Don,

I know it's a long time since you posted this, but I was wondering how you're doing.

The last thing you said on the forum is that you're weighing up sticking it out for a year, or going back on antidepressants. What happened man? Did you manage to get any better?
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I hear ya. I too was stimulated by Paxil into a manic episode. Boy was that a hard med to come off of. I wanted to stop using it because it stopped working for depression. Thanks for the advice about the authors. I am on a huge cocktail of meds and want to come off as many as possible. I am lucky that I have a doctor that is helping me. In my experience it has worked better to go off one med at a time and slowly. I am going off Abilify now and going down by 2.5 mg a month. It seems to be going better than I went off 5 mg per month and had crying episodes. I too believed that we have to take meds forever and that it is like diabetes. From what I am understanding with some reading I'm doing, if we go off meds slowly we can have our body adjust slowly and start working like they should naturally. I hear you on the depression relapse. I wish I could deal with my deep dark depressions without meds. I am not sure if that will be possible for me. I am doing everything I can to deal with the depression naturally. I have started taking fish oil and NAC in preparation. I exercise daily. I am willing to swim and do some aerobic exercise in the same day if that is what it takes. I am considering meditation. I am working with a psychologist and having therapy. It supports me during med changes.
Wishing you all the best.
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I have taken SSRI ( Seroxat ) chemical name is Paroxetine for about 2 to 3 years and now I am very well without it. If anyone need help how to get off it I will help you for free. Just contact me
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Does anyone who's "been there, done that" have some perspective on life after antidepressants?
I'm living life without AD's, but not life without a benzo. I found AD's, most helpful, during the couple years, that I was on them. I was also, in talk therapy, and doing my own self work.
I would not change, the years, on them. I'd suppose, healing brain stuff, came from being able to recognize various emotional triggers for what they were, i.e., body distortion during PMS, and how that affects me, to the core.
I was losing my Mom, to ovarian cancer, and finalizing a divorce, same time. I really needed to be 'present' for myself and kids.
My anxiety, I'm sure, belongs on a different thread, my meds are as needed, and far from daily.

Hope that sheds a little light, on life after anti depressants. I'm not opposed, to them, should I ever need one, in the future.

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New member here -- howdy, everyone.

Wondering if anyone has seen improvement/healing over time after quitting SSRIs. Does the brain heal itself from dependence on meds? The docs tell me neurotransmitters can regenerate but it can take 9-12 months. That's a long time to endure depression, but it's a familiar battle (I've taken SSRIs, mostly Paxil, for half my life -- now 45).

I got off Paxil 5 months ago, gradually and under careful supervision (made it through the brain zaps and all that crap). Initially I was doing fine but after about 3 months the depression returned. I am trying to be tough (I come from a family of stoics) but also do lots of self-care (exercise, time in nature, support from friends, etc.) and see my psychiatrist regularly (he usually just agrees with whatever I want to do). I'm trying to stick it out another few months (summer weather should help) but it's hard.

I long bought into the mentality that "you just have to accept lifelong medication, it's a chemical imbalance like diabetes." But I've never been comfortable with the medicalized model of what is at least in part an existential/spiritual issue (who wouldn't be depressed in today's world?!). It freaks me out how many people take these heavily-advertised meds. Plus I'm tired of the side effects, and never intended a temporary support to become permanent. And (like everyone here) I'm concerned about the unknown long-term effects.

Does anyone who's "been there, done that" have some perspective on life after antidepressants?

I was too on SSRI+benzo for 4 yrs. Struggling now with withdrawal. Please tell me were you too on Benzo or only SSRI?
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I got off Zoloft and Xanax in 2013 after taking these for over 7 years. Took about two years to feel a bit better. Good luck.
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I took Paxil and Ativan for about 5 years. I weaned off the Ativan first, then the Paxil. I stayed med free for several years and they were glorious! Since I've started taking Paxil + some others again, I tried quitting meds a few times all with disastrous results. I have resolved that Paxil is my life partner.
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Thanks, Elana. I guess I was hoping that I would have experienced some healing during all these years of antidepressant use so that I could gradually get off them. I feel worse now than before I ever took them, and am about to conclude I have no choice but to resume. Apparently if you take them looking for short-term relief, you are frequently signing on for life. It seems like kind of a devil's bargain.
Or you could look to other specific treatment methods, begin to get those in place, then slowly taper off your meds as things get established with a new treatment.
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