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Some people are very sensitive to medications. In these individuals, standard recommended doses are too high. I think it is important for patients and doctors to recognize this, because awful side effects may actually be tolerable, at a much lower dose. This would permit a patient to try a drug and see if it is helpful.

I am very sensitive to medications. This is why, I only take 5 mg of Escitalopram Oxalate for anxiety/OCD. This small dose is very effective. My life has changed for the better.

My initial side effects were mild. The light headedness and bowel emergencies were tolerable and disappeared about three weeks later. At 20 mg, this would have been more severe.
The reason I dropped from 20mg to 10mg ESCITALOPRAM 20 mg no sex life , 10mg constipation and weight gain , but only just enough depression cover, 20mg would be spot on but no sex life is not an option, I have taken other meds with less side effects but they have pooped out after time, so I have to move on to other meds an put up with more side effects . My depression does not go away only goes in remission while a med lasts. I am fast running out meds to try. I wish I could get away with 5mg Lexapro I would be a slimmer sex god .
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Old Jun 14, 2013, 02:26 PM
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Have you tried alternative therapies or life style changes? Sometimes, these can be helpful.
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Old Jun 14, 2013, 02:36 PM
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Have you tried alternative therapies or life style changes? Sometimes, these can be helpful.
At 65 I have lived 20 lives, survived loads of op,s , overdoses, car smash,s , mental hospital, flat lined, loads of unplanned offspring, ALCHOL abuse, I have changed my lifestyle only because I got older Alternative therapy mmmmmmmm not really my thing, but thank,s for the thoughts, stay safe.
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Old Jun 17, 2013, 12:53 PM
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Everyone on meds long enough has memory lost usually short term. So if your hoping to kill long term depression with zero side effects. Not going to happen SORRY, you are never well so I carnt see where your going with your herb treatment . if you carnt handle side effects then fair enough I should stay away from any treatment.
Not cool, bro. Life style changes are not only side effect free but can be effective for all levels of depression. If you can manage them, ultimately life style changes are far, far healthier and sustainable. It's really a win win win win win.

Think of this: We take meds in hopes that we will change our chemistry for the better. However, diet and exercise guarantee a positive change in your chemistry. How much difference is there really, aside from side effects? True, some of us may still need medication, but I don't see how diet, exercise, and herbal "medication" is somehow less effective than human (not nature) designed, horribly flawed pills.

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OF course not, the are different degree,s of depression , there is mild where you carry on working and take minimum meds ,up to people that don't leave there bed for months , or are in hospital. everybody bar 1 in a million has some sort of start up side effect that gets better has the med take,s hold. but you carnt expect to take anti depressant for years and not be affected in some way. You should be having regular blood test,s that tells its own story, im not moaning about my side effect I have them but then again I take a high amount of benzos with my ADs , people are posting they carnt get through side effects and I say its better than depression . Has for your friends on ADs for years with no or little side effects , I find hard to believe . WHAT no sexual disfunction , or weight gain COME ON .
I sense the implication that the effectiveness of a med correlates to how mild a depression is. For one, it is not proven that antidepressants are at all effective for mild depression. Otherwise, meds can be equally effective and uneffective for any level of depression and likewise have any degree of SEs attached.

All of us deserve to feel better with minimal side effects.
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Old Jun 17, 2013, 02:14 PM
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Not cool, bro. Life style changes are not only side effect free but can be effective for all levels of depression. If you can manage them, ultimately life style changes are far, far healthier and sustainable. It's really a win win win win win.

Think of this: We take meds in hopes that we will change our chemistry for the better. However, diet and exercise guarantee a positive change in your chemistry. How much difference is there really, aside from side effects? True, some of us may still need medication, but I don't see how diet, exercise, and herbal "medication" is somehow less effective than human (not nature) designed, horribly flawed pills.

Trust me, Venus is on the right track.


I sense the implication that the effectiveness of a med correlates to how mild a depression is. For one, it is not proven that antidepressants are at all effective for mild depression. Otherwise, meds can be equally effective and uneffective for any level of depression and likewise have any degree of SEs attached.

All of us deserve to feel better with minimal side effects.
herbal meds are not regulated, you dont no what strenth each plant is , i said this before. 2 plants are never the same , you can be massively overdoseing or under medicating. Meds are made to be same in every box or there would be law suits in millions , everyone would use herbs if they were any good, there flawed in to many ways to be safe. Try telling your shrink or gp your on S J W for clinical depression, and when he stops laughing think again. 5HTP another weak med good for filling in between meds. Plus herbs interact on near every level may has well let a diamond back bite you they have the same chance of killing you.
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Old Jun 17, 2013, 02:28 PM
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Just because doctors would laugh doesn't mean doesn't work. (it's actually funny how Czech doctos used to laugh at herbal supplements... until the capitalist economy kicked in and they realized that they can make money of it. Now every doctors will try to sell you something natural. Every pharmacy has huge-azz plant and supplement section. So I would not consider one shrink's laughter a good indicator. Many doctors will recommend you herbals these days).

As for strenght... it depends when you pick the herbs and where it grows. To quite a degree, it can be regulated (don't you have woods and meadows in the UK anymore? Maybe lack of woods and meadows in some part of world is reason why in some parts of world depression and issues are more prevalent, eh).

Herbs work. Have been proved through millenia. Do you think current psychmeds will even exist in thousand years? People will probably laugh at Prozac and Luvox or whatnot the way we laugh at early chemical medicines.

Also, everybody should eat right, If you are on any medicine, you should doubly make sure you eat right, because no matter how useful and needed the med it... it is not good for body. Eating right really will make you feel better, alone or in addition to other things. And eat least eating veggies will not give you that much side effects.
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Old Jun 17, 2013, 03:37 PM
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OK, where does 5htp grow?
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Old Jun 17, 2013, 03:39 PM
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I don't use supplements that look like web-formating I am speaking for what grows in dirt.
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Old Jun 18, 2013, 01:15 PM
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What about crop spraying, and the spraying of walkway verges where all this stuff grows , its like the new GM crops the spray is implanted in the seed so no need to spray. Who is to say it don't spread from the seed into the surrounding ground where your herbs grow , crop spraying by plane ooooooooo dear were will the spray land . Badgers in England now under going a massive cull for spreading TB into cattle , what do cattle eat??????? grass and anything that grows in the dirt like herbs the badgers urinate on the grass hence TB. now if it wasn't for the sreening of the milk on every batch half of England would have TB. How do you screen every bottle of your herbs.
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Yes, it sucks. Still stuff grown on meadows and organic teas are more natural then Prozac.

i wonder what you eat. hopefully not merely stuff made of oil and chemicaly ladden shtuff.
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Old Jun 18, 2013, 01:36 PM
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Yes, it sucks. Still stuff grown on meadows and organic teas are more natural then Prozac.

i wonder what you eat. hopefully not merely stuff made of oil and chemicaly ladden shtuff.
I do eat a lot healthier than I did but still , I eat a lot of salad stuff , grapes, every night , and unopened fresh pea,s , I love to pop them at night. but then I will eat fries , cooked in oil not fat . I don't drink much now , a sort of good and bad mix really I will open a big bag of potato chips now an then but hey I like them .
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Old Jun 18, 2013, 01:50 PM
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oh, i eat my share off horrible too. Though I prefer home made horrible to overly processed and flavoured stuff. There's "healthier" ways to prepare chips too, I think (you know real potatos and real flavours not the... little chemician stuff).
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Old Jun 19, 2013, 03:52 AM
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oh, i eat my share off horrible too. Though I prefer home made horrible to overly processed and flavoured stuff. There's "healthier" ways to prepare chips too, I think (you know real potatos and real flavours not the... little chemician stuff).
It true the best tasting is bad for you, you no England is famous for fish and chips, well the best tasting ones are cooked in beef dripping and lard mixed, you can smell the a mile off , in this sea side town I go to they have a street called chip alley , 10 fish and chip shops on 1 narrow street. I dare anyone to walk down it without buying a bag of fried chips , what they must do to your body ???? nobody care,s on there day out or holidays, the American tourist love them to bits.
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I don't use supplements that look like web-formating
ROFL! Yea I bet that is a good rule.

However something puzzles me. The same people seem to do herbs AND homeopathy. That strikes me as completely illogical. When you do herbs you try to get strength up, you understand that it might take quite a bit of the herb to make a difference. Is why the "witches" brews were foul tasting and not exactly like a nice herbal tea.

Homeopathy claims the strength goes up with diluting the herb in water, so there is basically nothing left of the herb at the end, it is pure water. I find it really hard to believe that can work in no other way than placebo, but no I don't diss the placebo effect. But for me something must have more than that for me to want to pay for it. I can get water out of my tap.
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