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Old Sep 08, 2013, 12:10 AM
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Are you saying blue dye has an effect on you?
I know this was meant for sewerrats but the dyes of meds can mess with me. Like when I hurt my back my GP gave me plain white vicodin and I had no SE but the next month I got it filled, it was blue and it made me so sick. I was throwin up shivering and sweating. She sadi I ha a mild allergic reaction to the dye
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Old Sep 08, 2013, 04:20 AM
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I know this was meant for sewerrats but the dyes of meds can mess with me. Like when I hurt my back my GP gave me plain white vicodin and I had no SE but the next month I got it filled, it was blue and it made me so sick. I was throwin up shivering and sweating. She sadi I ha a mild allergic reaction to the dye
That can happen allergic reactions are common in anything .
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Old Sep 08, 2013, 04:34 AM
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I'm in Australia and have only noticed slight differences with generics - so slight that I could have been imagining it. Generics need to measure up to tight standards here just the same as brand names and I know of a few big name brands that sell the proper drug and a generic of it too.
Most times it happens when on a named brand and forced on to generic, it has a PYHC affect you your positive it aint going to work because its not the real deal. BUT if your started straight on generics without being on the named brand not many complain. As I tried to say before I like a generic to be the same colour if possible to the real med, nothing do with the DYE IN IT , if it looks the same as the real I feel more relaxed in taking it. not like PROZAC WAS ALWAYS GREEN AND WHITE CAPSULE , GENERIC anything but like it , from blue and white to red and white , im not on my own with this my chemist says , all long term original med user,s like the generics to mimic the old med for assurance
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Old Sep 08, 2013, 04:47 AM
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Stringent... hm.. friend of mine crashed totally just a few years ago when they changed her effexor to generic.

Another friend stopped having any effect from her stomach med. No effect. At all.
Why do you bother taking meds if you have this unhealthy fear of them. you could try the herb way and really screw up, Take S-J-W for instance a plant picked grinded put in a capsule and sold, every tablet different from the other ruled by the strength of 1 plant to the next, still not said were you live that's so bad on mental health care. You haven't understood one post of mine why bother posting, is it just to argue ,
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Old Sep 08, 2013, 09:02 AM
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Why do you bother taking meds if you have this unhealthy fear of them.
Don't create lies about me, please. I'm just telling it how it is. It's proven the generic is not the same, you yourself had a bad reaction. Different countries have different rules which generics they use, but it is not an unhealthy fear to accept the fact that something made in a filthy, non-standard factory just MIGHT differ from something made under better circumstances.

Also please read the article. It says the generic does NOT have to be the same strength, it's allowed to vary so much that for some medication where an exact dosage is needed, it might be dangerous. Unhealthy fear??? I think not.

Those who have a good generic that works, fine. I have those too. I have figured out which generics I can take and which I cannot. Which is a healthy approach. It's not based on fear, it is based on observation.

It's not spreading fear telling someone who's generic does not work that they are probably right about it. It is believing their observation and analysis. It might be crucial to their health to get a make that works for them.

We're not running around like headless chicken here. We are simply stating some generics might not work well for some, some generics might be fine.

Are you trying to tell me to quit my meds? That is not very nice of you. I need my meds and I take my daily meds rigorously, my healthy depends on them. Both my mental and physical. I don't think it follows that I should ruin my health taking those meds away because I had an issue with a generic xanax.

I'm expecting stricter rules about generics in the future.
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Old Sep 08, 2013, 09:12 AM
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I know this was meant for sewerrats but the dyes of meds can mess with me. Like when I hurt my back my GP gave me plain white vicodin and I had no SE but the next month I got it filled, it was blue and it made me so sick. I was throwin up shivering and sweating. She sadi I ha a mild allergic reaction to the dye
Yea... was just making a comment about the placebo effect that he claims the color has to be what you expect or you will force the med in your body not to work.

I'm well aware if the dye issue, also people might be allergic to binders or lactose or whatever might be present. I'm allergic to the brand name of a pain med and not to the generic. I'm not sure what in the brand name that causes a reaction. I have looked at the list of binders, dyes and fillers but there are so many things differing between them that it was impossible for me to even guess which substance I was allergic to.

That is a second issue with generics. They have to have the same active substance, but nothing else has to be the same. Often generics have a longer list of extra substances which might make it even harder to pinpoint the culprit.

For a while here most pills were white because so many of the dyes were banned here. Dyes have come back because obviously we had to follow EU directives, sigh. I though it was a good idea to ban dyes because a filler and binder is needed but a dye is not.
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Old Sep 08, 2013, 09:20 AM
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I went to a different pharmacy than I did last month, and my citalopram and my clonazepa were feom different companies than they were last month. My cit is round and pink last month it was oval and orangey pink. My clonzepam is same shape and color but this mont it has Teva on it last month it had an M on it. Its all the same, right?
Here's a pill identifier link. I remember, when I was younger, my stepdad was on all sort of meds for various illnesses, and so wasn't his mom. My mom used to keep a book that devoted to every medicine out there. Back then, the pharmacies weren't as linked up as they are today, and to ensure that no one was taking the wrong meds, we used a book, similar to this website.

Here's what the pills should look like.

Citalopram - Pill Identifier | Drugs.com

Clonazepam - Pill Identifier | Drugs.com

If it's not a match, it's no good. But if it's here, then it's good to go. Seems they use different colors and shapes for various doses. Chemically speaking, it's all the same.
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Old Sep 08, 2013, 11:26 AM
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Don't create lies about me, please. I'm just telling it how it is. It's proven the generic is not the same, you yourself had a bad reaction. Different countries have different rules which generics they use, but it is not an unhealthy fear to accept the fact that something made in a filthy, non-standard factory just MIGHT differ from something made under better circumstances.

Also please read the article. It says the generic does NOT have to be the same strength, it's allowed to vary so much that for some medication where an exact dosage is needed, it might be dangerous. Unhealthy fear??? I think not.

Those who have a good generic that works, fine. I have those too. I have figured out which generics I can take and which I cannot. Which is a healthy approach. It's not based on fear, it is based on observation.

It's not spreading fear telling someone who's generic does not work that they are probably right about it. It is believing their observation and analysis. It might be crucial to their health to get a make that works for them.

We're not running around like headless chicken here. We are simply stating some generics might not work well for some, some generics might be fine.

Are you trying to tell me to quit my meds? That is not very nice of you. I need my meds and I take my daily meds rigorously, my healthy depends on them. Both my mental and physical. I don't think it follows that I should ruin my health taking those meds away because I had an issue with a generic xanax.

I'm expecting stricter rules about generics in the future.
IF you dont have to pay for your meds like in ENGLAND, that is if you are unemployed or long term sick or if working you pay a small fee each script . The chemist that supplies the meds can buy whatever brand he likes it his shop. If you don't like the then it tough , you can try another but they are all looking for the cheapest deal. SO if generic were so bad we would all give up meds in England and drink our self to death instead , The generic I had was the first SSRI 30 years ago, I was on poop out and laws were some what relaxed 30 - 40 years ago. There are millions more people on them now than 30 years ago. In lots of counties people pay more for the real med by adding to there already high insurance , costing them hundreds of dollars a month more, not everyone including myself cannot afford such luxury so the last thing we want to hear is generics are crap.
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Old Sep 08, 2013, 12:48 PM
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It's sad when health is referred to as a luxury.

I understand the govt want to push costs down using generics, they do here too. But we have an exception rule, and so do you. Yours is more strict though to only include things like seizure meds, lithium, immunosuppressants etc. Those meds that can actually make you die as a direct and quick effect if given at the wrong dosages, and a generic might not be the exact dosage the brand is.

Our rule also includes long term adverse effects. So we get the generics as long as we can tolerate them. I hope NHS picks up on that because it is a very good rule. It keeps the cost down for the state, but at the same time those who fall ill because of a generic are allowed to swap brands.

Still, if I could, I would rather pay up for a med that I needed if I couldn't get it at a reduced cost. I understand some meds are totally out of my league to pay up for, but some are not. And I do live on the poverty line. I pay up for my antidepressant because my govt decided it should no longer be covered. It is money well invested.
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Old Sep 09, 2013, 03:27 AM
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It's sad when health is referred to as a luxury.

I understand the govt want to push costs down using generics, they do here too. But we have an exception rule, and so do you. Yours is more strict though to only include things like seizure meds, lithium, immunosuppressants etc. Those meds that can actually make you die as a direct and quick effect if given at the wrong dosages, and a generic might not be the exact dosage the brand is.

Our rule also includes long term adverse effects. So we get the generics as long as we can tolerate them. I hope NHS picks up on that because it is a very good rule. It keeps the cost down for the state, but at the same time those who fall ill because of a generic are allowed to swap brands.

Still, if I could, I would rather pay up for a med that I needed if I couldn't get it at a reduced cost. I understand some meds are totally out of my league to pay up for, but some are not. And I do live on the poverty line. I pay up for my antidepressant because my govt decided it should no longer be covered. It is money well invested.
Are you going to say were you live , why is it a problem are you ashamed of your home country, you cart tell all your rules without us knowing where you live.
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