who has taken this drug, is it administered by "infusion" and what were your results? Thanks . . .

[silver tree]

No, it comes in powder form and you snort it.

It is quite a buzz, difficult to explain really. Enough taken and it is trippy, a bit like magic mushrooms, with colours etc.

Addictive if you do it enough though, and it can give you really bad stomach cramps

Hope that helped x

thanks silver tree. Sounds like something I wouldn't want to try if it's like mushrooms - - well on second thought, if it would help depression in the long run, maybe. Does anyone know how long the effect is (alleviating depression) after the drug is snorted?

[vans1974]

Originally Posted by newgal2

who has taken this drug, is it administered by "infusion" and what were your results? Thanks . . .

It's still in clinical trials, but supposed to be very effective for treatment resistant depression. I guess it's works within a couple of hours and lasts for a few weeks.

Originally Posted by vans1974

It's still in clinical trials, but supposed to be very effective for treatment resistant depression. I guess it's works within a couple of hours and lasts for a few weeks.

If it's in clinical trials, does that mean it's not available to the public yet? And does that mean you would experience the mushroom-like experience for a few weeks too? I wouldn't like a trippy experience for weeks on end.

[silver tree]

Originally Posted by newgal2

thanks silver tree. Sounds like something I wouldn't want to try if it's like mushrooms - - well on second thought, if it would help depression in the long run, maybe. Does anyone know how long the effect is (alleviating depression) after the drug is snorted?

I can't lie, it is a nice drug and does make you feel more spiritual and connected with nature etc. It is still an illegal drug though (especially the type you snort that I have tried) and not available to the public. The affects of relieving depression don't last for long though and, like I said, it can be addictive and cause terrible stomach tramps. I would do it again though, if I could get it

If you find a dealer, please be careful though x

And does that mean you would experience the mushroom-like experience for a few weeks too? I wouldn't like a trippy experience for weeks on end

Lol, only if you keep taking it foe weeks on end It lasts a few hours or whole day/evening if you take enough. The more you take, the more trippy it becomes. Enough and you drift off into all sorts of little dreams and trips Nice though x

[vans1974]

Originally Posted by newgal2

If it's in clinical trials, does that mean it's not available to the public yet? And does that mean you would experience the mushroom-like experience for a few weeks too? I wouldn't like a trippy experience for weeks on end.

No it's not available to the public yet. I know in Colorado they're administering it to patients in a study..and obviously it's not going to have the same side effects as "Special K" You should research it, and even what they call ketamines cousin. We probably won't see too much great stuff until about 3-5 years though is what scientists predict.

[jjm51]

some misinformation here guys...

ketamine is currently and legally available now. it is expensive and used off-label. no insurance company will pay for it. plenty of places to get it legally. and, more importantly, done correctly.

hi newgal2. i suggest you look under 'other treatments' below this section and search for ketamine there. there are people who have already tried ketamine for their depression. like me.

here is my post on one of the pre-existing threads under 'other treatments.' mods feel free to delete if i am breaking any double-posting rule or anything.

here ya' go newgal2;

***i've done it.

both in iv form and intranasal.

didn't work.

i was one of the first in the country to have it done down at uc san diego. the iv was about a 45 minute procedure. they use a very low dose compared to what people use to get high. i felt just a little relaxed. cost me $750.

also, ucla recently dropped their iv ketamine infusion program for depression. that may be telling i think.

that was over 2 years ago when the news broke and people were very excited about it. i think it's just like any other med. will work for some, not all.

i also got a rx for nasal ketamine. this was yet another failure. i spent even more on this. argh.

interestingly though that the next gen of antidepressants may be MDMA/ketamine/lsd type drugs. ironic. what is new is actually old...

'glyx-13' is a ketamine like drug that is doing well in trials right now. i think they have just started stage 3a trials across the country. it is showing great promise. it may even be 'fast-tracked' by the fda if it continues to fare well in it's trials. godspeed on that for all of us.

i have no experience with intramuscular delivered ketamine (shots). i do know more and more docs are showing-up doing that. from what i have read the results are mixed at best. but, some are finding relief.

john***

k; me again...

you will not get 'high' or 'trip' with the doses they are using. if you are near a teaching university there may be a chance they have a ketamine program. also, as i mentioned in the above post there are many more docs doing it off label. prices vary greatly and insurance does not cover it.

again, infusion, nasal spray and shots. low dose. no 'tripping' involved.

ketamine can also be problematic physically. even at these doses. mostly problems with your bladder potentially.

i was so very excited to try it. really bummed nothing happened. still, it works for some. personally i feel it is just like any other med; it will work for some, not all. and, i am unfortunately a bit pessimistic regarding the initial hype. the doc i went to was already telling me the #'s of responders was dropping after the initial news. that was over 2 years ago.

still, there are new drugs coming! a real new class of drugs. with each new drug there will be more people responding.

let me know if you want more info on my experience or info about using ketamine (from a doctor) in treating depression.

hang-in there.

john



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[lunatic soul]

I have this drug but for intravenous usage, I would like to try it but I'm scared I would stop breath

[vans1974]

Originally Posted by jjm51

some misinformation here guys...

ketamine is currently and legally available now. it is expensive and used off-label. no insurance company will pay for it. plenty of places to get it legally. and, more importantly, done correctly.

hi newgal2. i suggest you look under 'other treatments' below this section and search for ketamine there. there are people who have already tried ketamine for their depression. like me.

here is my post on one of the pre-existing threads under 'other treatments.' mods feel free to delete if i am breaking any double-posting rule or anything.

here ya' go newgal2;

***i've done it.

both in iv form and intranasal.

didn't work.

i was one of the first in the country to have it done down at uc san diego. the iv was about a 45 minute procedure. they use a very low dose compared to what people use to get high. i felt just a little relaxed. cost me $750.

also, ucla recently dropped their iv ketamine infusion program for depression. that may be telling i think.

that was over 2 years ago when the news broke and people were very excited about it. i think it's just like any other med. will work for some, not all.

i also got a rx for nasal ketamine. this was yet another failure. i spent even more on this. argh.

interestingly though that the next gen of antidepressants may be MDMA/ketamine/lsd type drugs. ironic. what is new is actually old...

'glyx-13' is a ketamine like drug that is doing well in trials right now. i think they have just started stage 3a trials across the country. it is showing great promise. it may even be 'fast-tracked' by the fda if it continues to fare well in it's trials. godspeed on that for all of us.

i have no experience with intramuscular delivered ketamine (shots). i do know more and more docs are showing-up doing that. from what i have read the results are mixed at best. but, some are finding relief.

john***

k; me again...

you will not get 'high' or 'trip' with the doses they are using. if you are near a teaching university there may be a chance they have a ketamine program. also, as i mentioned in the above post there are many more docs doing it off label. prices vary greatly and insurance does not cover it.

again, infusion, nasal spray and shots. low dose. no 'tripping' involved.

ketamine can also be problematic physically. even at these doses. mostly problems with your bladder potentially.

i was so very excited to try it. really bummed nothing happened. still, it works for some. personally i feel it is just like any other med; it will work for some, not all. and, i am unfortunately a bit pessimistic regarding the initial hype. the doc i went to was already telling me the #'s of responders was dropping after the initial news. that was over 2 years ago.

still, there are new drugs coming! a real new class of drugs. with each new drug there will be more people responding.

let me know if you want more info on my experience or info about using ketamine (from a doctor) in treating depression.

hang-in there.

john



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Thanks John- yeah, I hope "GLYX-13", or as they call it "Ketamine's cousin" gets approved!

John, thank you for this wealth of information! I plan to bring up the issue of ketamine when I see my new psychiatrist next week. Not sure if it's done around here (northeastern Wisconsin). Thanks again.

[silver tree]

Ummm I was talking about ketamine (the illegal street drug) My bad, sorry

I did read an article a while back that they were trialing it for depression in a clinical environment. But, though I thought you were referring to that, I didn't realise that you meant you wanted that kind of ketamin prescribed by a healthcare professional. I thought you meant trying it illegally, like people take street cannabis for MS and other conditions.

I am very sorry and have made myself sound like I am helping push illegal drugs, I am sure I merely wanted to give you all the info I knew about it and be honest, not try and encourage you to take illegals. I hope you weren't offended or shocked x

[lilypup]

I understand it is offered here at a private clinic. It is used through an IV. It is supposed to immediately relieve depression but the effects don't last that long. Insurance will not cover it and it is terribly expensive.