Buprenorphine for depression

Hello everyone, ive been researching some meds and came across people trying subutex/suboxone for depression. I am a former opiate addict so I have been on it before. I get subutex from my doc and feel so much better when I am on it.

I was without opiates for a year then told him I relapsed when I didnt so I did throw up but the thing is I rather throw up which only happens when ur body has no opiates in it. I just feel so much better. I say to myself nothing else works so why not get hooked on it again rather then sit around the house miserable all day. I mean anything to make me feel better. Ive had more success with it then any anti depressant. When I got off it last time the withdrawls were managable so why not take it. I know the onky reason Im feeling even better is because im actually using it as an opiate because my body is not used to it.

Well Im at the point to try anything. I rather be addicted to something that makes me feel better then to sit and rot like ive been doing. I didnt take it today. I guess im just struggling.

Just read this after posting it and it seems like ive been isolating so much that its affecting thevway I talk. My sentences are all I statements. Is it noticable or just me being critical of myself.

i have never seen suboxone prescribed for depression. I have taken both buprenorphine and suboxone, both for chronic pain. not because I was addicted to opiates. They do not help with depression. It is a pain med.

Well I use to take it for opiates and it seemed to help my depression at times.
Some people seem to think so.

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I definitely think opiates help depression. If I take some vicodin my depression poof goes away. It doesn't make me sick or tired it gets me motivated and euphoric and no depression. Meth Amphetamine also cures my depression in a new york minute. I have never really been addicted to opiates but I have done my share of codeine back in the day. I was however seriously addicted to meth.

I don't think the question is does it work the question is should you really use it as an antidepressant. In my view tryinghard973 I would rather see you totally clean and getting professional help for your depression. Trying real antidepressants and working on the underlying causes of the depression and addiction.

I know you have been struggling and kicking opiate withdrawal is the absolute worse. Some people in recovery stay on suboxone or methadone for a very long time. I don't know where you are at. How much are you drinking? Are you smoking pot? Doing any other drugs? When was the last time you did opiates besides sub?

I actually went on antidepressants before I got clean and sober and I think that helped me alot to get clean. My pdoc did tell me though that if I didn't go to rehab then he wouldn't treat me anymore. All the drugs and alcohol just make the whole thing a big blur. What is causing what?

I would focus on getting totally clean....no alcohol no pot, but using sub under a doctors supervision. Lots of people in recovery use sub under a doctors supervision with the plan of weaning off of it. It is better than shooting dope. The ultimate goal is to get totally clean and sober and at the same time get professional treatment for your depression.

I couldn't get clean and sober myself without alot of help. Rehab AA NA

Like I said I don't know where you are at but I know you have been struggling and I feel for you and know exactly what it is like.

Hey zinco, I do not smoke pot. When I do my thoughts get even more rapid. I never see things that arent there or hear voices. I was drinking 15 beers a day which I gave up last november and havent touched alcohol since then. Im hoping my delusions was from the alcohol. Ive not touched opiates since last year. I did go on suboxone for about 4 years which I also stopped in november after my last hospitalation. It seems everytime I use I end up in a pychosis. I just cant seem to believe thats where the pychosis is coming from. The pychosis had just started about 5 years ago when I was using adderall.

I see addicts who use and they dont have any problem with pychosis. Mine seems to be just delusions. I dont know if there is a difference between pychosis and delusions. I always had social anxiety but when I was put on the adderall it seemed to manifest into paranoia. I was engaged like 6 years ago, i always was an addict, never did i have delusions at that time. I always think of the worse case scenerio so ive researched paranoid schitzo. Im 35 my first break was at 28 but I was taking 120 mg xr adderall. That delision only lasted about 4 days but I think I did damage my brain. I went back on adderall ended up paranoid again, I did this about 4 times and always ended up i the hospital. So I stopped the aderall for about 4 years and still have delusions sometimes.

Since the break of my engagement my life has gone downhill. Maybe its depression, personality disorder, bi polar or my luck I have all of them. I start seeing a therapist monday. Im prescribed xanax which I only take when I cant deal with the anxiety anymore. I asked my doc for subutex after being off opiates I knew it would get me high, but hey anything to mske me feel bettet. I know its the addict in me. The subutex does make me throw up but I rather throw up and feel a little better then feel the way I do normally. Im kinda talking myself into a diagnoses when it could just be drug induced. I just cant seem to get that much time under me to def know. I dont think the subutex will put me back into delusions, it didnt in the past. I really think it was tge adderall and then the drinking. Im scared shitless to have another delusion.

Hmmmm pretty complicated. I remember your post on Adderall. Were you diagnosed ADD/ADHD as a kid? You say you took ritt in high school. Abusing Adderall could definitely cause psychosis. This long after using it I wouldn't think so though. I get psychotic when really really deep in depression. People who are bi polar also get it. You don't have to be schizophrenic to get psychosis. Some people do develop schizophrenia later in life so anything is possible.

It could very well be that using triggers psychosis for you. 15 beers a day is alot. You said every time you use you get psychotic. Maybe it is from the Adderall and using just triggers it. Who knows.

You are definitely going in the right direction. Seeing a therapist is great. Is your doc a psychiatrist who specializes in addiction? Or just a GP or what. I would say you need a pdoc who specializes in addiction and can supervise your sub.

I would say stay clean and sober and keep seeking professional help. Stick with it. You are doing great. They will figure it out. Be totally honest about your whole history.

Dual Diagnosis sucks. Ask your therapist if there is a dual diagnosis group. Best group I have ever been to. If you can't handle not using besides the sub go to NA. We can't do this thing alone. Hang in there you are doing great.

Yes i was diagnosed adhd as a kid and was put on ritilan. My therapist deals in straight pychosis, thats her specialty. I def have dual diagnoses and it sucks. I just dont want to have paranoid schizophrenia, I rather it be ppd. See im having such problem with the labeling because of what society paints mental illness as. Thsts why I get paranoid even around my family. My mother had came to the point where when I get into my delusion she cant take it anymore. But she always told me I wasnt a schizophrenic. She thinks its just drug pychosis, shes not a doctor but mothers seem to be always right because she knows me so well. I took a 2mg xanax tonight, went to the store, no paranoia, no anxiety. I just dont want to get addicted to them. I make sure I at least skip a couple days before I take another one. I have to learn to be able to do this without the xanax in the future. And I know I will never touch adderall again. If i go to november with no pychosis I will know it wad the alcohol and the adderall. Or who knows it can even be stresd related.

I don't think it is schytzophrenia either. You just need a good therapist and psychiatrist. Who is the doc giving you sub? A GP a pdoc? What?

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Are you taking any other prescription drugs besides Xanax and sub.

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He is a psychiatrist he persribed me abilify along with zoloft. But im so afraid to take the zoloft because thats what I took when I went into my pychosis but I also was drinking the beer so maybe it wasnt the zoloft but im too afraid to go back there. I also was perscribed zyprexa, geodon, all in the past but I wad drinking with them also. The zyprexa put 30 lbs on me along with the beer which I lost. I wad 209 lbs and lost 30lbs in a month. The geodon made me wanna jump out of my skin. I took a 2mg xanax tonight and I feel great. Now I need to take a couple days off because I do not want to get tolerance too it.

He perscribed me subutex rather then the suboxone. But I finally realized today that its really not helping. I kinda felt a little paranoid thats the only reason I took the xanax. My therapist appt is on monday and wed. I will be seeing her twice a week. She seems really cool and I like that she told me to stay away from the zoloft which is illegal for her to tell me that. She said to go with the abilify rather then zoloft. I liked her right off the bat because she told me she shouldnt give me any advice on meds so I took that as someone who cares. I also sniffed the subutex today which brings my addictive behavior back. I really thought I would wind up shooting heroin so I got them rather then the dope.

I have no cravings to drink whatsoever. I would wake up so depressed when I was doing it. My dad drinks and wad just diagnosed with liver cancer. I think its just seeing my dad, now my uncle has als and lives with us. Can it be all these factors thats just destroying me. He wont stop drinking wine bit who am I to tell him. If i had that **** I would do whatever made me feel better. Its like like im 17 Im a 35 year old man. I should be on my own by now but I still live with them. Thanks for all the love and replys guys, im so grateful for people like you.

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See in this post she hears voices. This is what im trying to figure out because I never do its just a random song or me talking to myself

http://forums.psychcentral.com/gener...ml#post3675882

Well they say that if you start using at an early age and keep using heavily, which is true for most of us addicts, then you stunt your emotional growth. As long as you keep using you stay stuck as a teenager emotionally.

I don't know much about subutex and suboxone. I know that some pdocs make you come in each day to get it. Like you say snorting it is definitely addictive behaviour. If you have a doc you can run to and complain about back pain or whatever and they will give you opiates you need to dump that doc. I believe you need a pdoc who is knowledgeable about addiction and can treat your addiction. Maybe yours is I don't know. Alot of them are not.

I dunno about the zoloft. Doesn't seem to me that it would cause psychosis but who knows.

The important thing is to stay clean so your therapist and doc can figure it out. Using just throws the whole thing out of whack and makes it very hard or even impossible for them to treat you. Have you ever considered NA?

I am not against taking benzo's. I take them myself but I have to be very careful and only take them as prescribed. I take .5 mg of klonopin in the morning and .5 mg at night to help sleep. It has totally knocked out my anxiety. I know they will not increase my dose. I am very lucky that he gave it to me in the first place. They are rather anti benzo at the facility I go to.

There are still some docs that hand out benzo's and opiates like they are candy as I am sure you know.

Do you take ypur benxos everyday? I try not too. My xanax gives me such relief that I cant get tolerance, then I feel they wont work as good. Do you ever hear of those supplements? Do you take vitamins. I actually ran when I took my dogs for a walk and it did make me feel better. I dont excersise at all. I should start.

Yes I do. Like I said .5 mg in the morning and .5 mg at night everyday. I was having major anxiety every afternoon. So I decided to take them everyday. I know I am setting myself up possibly for tolerance build up and withdrawal. I know they won't increase my dose if I build up tolerance. So I should probably really rethink this.

I have taken a ton of valium back in the days of my using for like a couple of months and when I ran out I didn't have any withdrawal symptoms. So who knows. I don't have bad withdrawals from antidepressants so maybe I am one of the lucky ones. I have had bad withdrawals from codeine back in those using days but I stuck it out and didn't start using them again. If I was addicted to codeine it was only for short periods. Like 60 tabs of vicodin and when they ran out I would stop. My brother was a very bad codeine addict for many years. He is a pharmacist so had easy access. He didn't have any trouble with withdrawal for some reason. He has been clean and sober for many years just like me.

So last night I was awake until 6am. I had a little emotional breakdown where I was telling myself that my sis told me ex that I cheated on her. I was waiting to call her but in the morning I felt better and she would go to therapy with me. I think it was a manic episode but I fought through it. No delusions or pychosis, just very emotional. So I came outta of it fine. Its still in my mind because I love my sister and I feel like Im gonna need to rely on her if god forbid something happens to my parents. But she has her own family to worry about, i cant expect that from her.

How did therapy go?

I am sure you can rely on your sister to come degree. My sister and I are very close. She has two kids and just got divorced so has alot on her plate. But we both support eachother on and off with alot of texting. If it came right down to it I could live with her.

Shes go na come with me to one of my sessions. My therapy is on monday and wed. Im really excited to go. I found this new site where it helps u set little goals each week. I mean My first goal was to brush my teeth every morning. I stopped smoking weed, i def think im gonns stop the bupe tomorrow because i do feel slight paranoia coming on.

Also, finding myself at the point to try anything for my depression, as I'd already everything, and I mean Every. Thing, I have also found a doc to treat me with buprenorphine for my depression.

I was wondering how you are doing. You hear so many ex addicts that are not on suboxone saying they feel better than ever. Please check in!