Fat?

It needs. But not in shaming way, but maybe in dedicating more research to develop meds that aren't so harsh on body. What was the last revolutionary psychdrug? And how many psychdrugs are just slight alternation of the existing thing, or simple re-labelling of the existing thing?

In cancer treatment the effect on body is considered a real thing and they are trying to develop treatment that is more targeted. It's not "oh, just hair, stop being so vain". Most doctors realize the treatment is harsh on body. Researchers realize it. It's not just you look bad, it's that your body is severly affected/prone to other illnesses.

I mean, if you started gaining weight without taking any drug, without changing your routine or eating habits... I am sure many people would rush to doctor, to see what the heck is wrong... because likely, something would be wrong.

If somebody already has body issues, imho just throwing med on them that is gonna make them pack on pounds... they will double the meth/starve more. It's hella complex situation. If one has a body issue, they will have them their whole life mostly likely.

So if such person would benefit from meds, it's those meds that have slight risk of weight gain.

I doubt the only issue your sister has is "I wanna be thin". Eating disorders aren't about "ooohhh, there's skinny models in magazines and on TV, let's starve"... are about control. They are about issues with the whole self. Sometimes they are rooted in abuse. It's not about being thin versus being fat. It's not about "vanity".

Oh goodness, no...certainly not all people are like my sister. There are a percentage that have BDD - something I believe must be a terrible disorder to live with, especially because the person usually often isn't aware of their disordered perception of their body.

I would be interested to know, statistically, the percentage of people who have been prescribed p-meds, but don't take them because of the weight gain factor.

As for my sister specifically....long, long story involving five decades of her drug abuse that has finally destroyed most of her heart and lung function. There's been a tremendous amount of love and compassion for her in my family - despite the damage her behavior has done to the family. It has just been this year when, in her effort to remain young and thin, she nearly killed herself...my other sis and I have run out of compassion quite a bit. My sister is 67 years old - too old to be doing what she's doing to her body, and to our family. She's no poor, pitiful homeless woman or something. She's married to a decent man who supports her quite nicely, etc., and she's monetarily fine.

Anyway. Enough about my sister. Again, don't wish to take the subject of this thread way off topic.

Venus, my sister has been in the rock and roll music industry since the '60's. She's obsessed with staying a youthful, skinny, rock star. I totally understand what's going on with her, but I do not wish to tolerate her abuse and the hell she's put our family/her family through.

Long story. Anyway...back to topic

I would have to agree with you. Although it does not have to do with weight it is relevant to how we communicate with each other here.

I don't think I am anti med or pro med per say. That is not a good way to look at it. It altogether depends on what med for what condition for what person and what adverse effects and a whole lot of very specific factors.

I am not anti chemical or pro chemical. The whole earth and all of life is made of molecules or chemicals. To be anti chemical is to be anti everything. It depends on what chemical you are talking about and what you are using it for.

Hate destroys the vessel that contains it. Kindness begets kindness. Understanding begets understanding. And so on.

Mental illness complicates this because we often can't help the "negative" thoughts and emotions we have.

To Sister Rags- Meth addiction is a horrible thing. I lived it for five years. There is not much you can do for someone who does not want help. It is very sad.

Cancer drugs- Michanne and I have had this discussion and many more research dollars have gone into cancer compared to mental illness. They already have methods that can bring a specific drug to the tumor and no where else. Cancer has a big lobby and Congress listens. Mental Health needs a bigger lobby.

Back on topic. I want to lose weight so that I am over all healthier.

I don't think a statistic is going to give you an adequate picture because there are varying reasons. If you enter information about your med on rxlist it asks you why you stopped taking it if you did. The problem is nothing is free form so even if they included weight gain as a response (I don't recall) it would be very misleading. And as somebody pointed out earlier weight loss is another reason to stop a particular med. for that matter if you are dealing with vanity type questions staying on a med in order to loose weight would fall in the same category.

Finally, in addition to media image problems we actually do have an obese problem in this country. I'm sure a portion of that can be traced to meds. Your sister is probably, in part, the product (not to depersonalize her) of media influence. Hillary Clinton gets flak for her weight. The pressure on entertainers and models is huge. IMO, that is the real problem for women. A pill might help some because they are truly dealing with a disorder but when you talk about entertainers I think there is a whole cultural problem that needs to be fixed too.

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Most people here seem to recognize it is a very personal decision. It is to what degree that becomes a conflict. You see them as worth it to you which I respect. But others see not taking them as noncompliance which is very different than pro vs anti. This is not surprising because most docs treat it has noncompliance. Venus reminded me of an incident. A T I worked with briefly actually fought a doctor who was threatening to force hospitalize an 18 year old because of "noncompliance". Actually she was in the unit, he didn't want to release her. On the surface someone could say that she was a danger to herself or he would release her. The thing is the T who spent more time with her didn't think so and she had family willing to support her. It was scary to me because I don't have family to back me up. I could have been in that situation too. In fact I lied to them about taking their drugs when I left and went straight to my regular doc. That's the kind of thing some people who want to choose are up against.

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This is probably redundant but this is about a connection between AP drugs and diabetes:

http://beyondmeds.com/2012/04/18/diabetesobesity/

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