[sewerrats]

My next door buddy mick has been in the mental zoo 7 weeks now after being , SECTIONED, he is off section now that was just to get him in. his meds are lithium , Effexor and a atiphycotic his wife says ends in PINE could be any. After a bad 7 weeks of torture side effect from 3 meds his is starting to have a break through. Let me just tell you the reason he is in this mess is because he gave up every med because of side effect , and preferred booze to self medicate that finally took him to zombie land. The lithium will be dropped at a later date has we in England don't get combo meds has standard procedure . we get people stable on a few meds then cut out the weakest to bring down side effects . So he will finish up on 225mg Effexor AND the mystery ati Pycotic MED. Now let me tell you Effexor was a med he aborted at home through side effects, but the shrink told him if he didn't play ball in the mental hospital he will be sent home with nothing . Now the side effect are near all manageable or gone all together and he is seeing flashs of normal life in other word he is in recovery .NOW this will take maybe 10 weeks in hospital where has if he had the bottle to see it through at home he could have been in remission years ago . It took the hospital and some hard talking home truths to set him on the right path

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Glad to here it. I hope he stays of the booze now for self medicating. Once he gets home that might be hard. Effexor played a big role in getting me off the booze.

[sewerrats]

Originally Posted by zinco14532323

Glad to here it. I hope he stays of the booze now for self medicating. Once he gets home that might be hard. Effexor played a big role in getting me off the booze.

Sorry, had the bottle is saying in ENGLAND like if he had the guts, or had the strength. He was a self medicator with booze not an alcoholic he hasn't wanted a drink in the time in hospital . I was the same used booze to self medicate its never had a hold on me. My fear is his wife they booked a holiday abroad before his crash , well she booked a holiday lets say . Its only3 weeks to the holiday and she thinks it will do him good. No no no it may even set him back, he needs to settle back into home life . The hospital will send him home for weekends first to see if he can cope , I am pretty sure he wont cope 4000 miles away even though its a holiday, every body drinking and him on the orange juice no way. AND THERAPY , you may say,????????? its weird ENGLISH men don't do therapy we are a strange proud race.

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The good ole stoic English men. Keep a stiff upper lip and all costs. The British Way.

American men are very similar. A guy has to have his butt thoroughly kicked before he will even think about going to therapy. Maybe not younger generations but mine and older for sure. WWII vets never said a word about their experiences. Don't think that many of them didn't majorly suffer from it though.

[sewerrats]

Originally Posted by zinco14532323

The good ole stoic English men. Keep a stiff upper lip and all costs. The British Way.

American men are very similar. A guy has to have his butt thoroughly kicked before he will even think about going to therapy. Maybe not younger generations but mine and older for sure. WWII vets never said a word about their experiences. Don't think that many of them didn't majorly suffer from it though.

I was forces into CBT, BUT the fight and flight cave man theory had me thinking, a cave man would run from a predator and loose his bowel movement has he ran to lighten his body . I can believe but that but the thought of a cave guy running with diarrhoea spurting from his **** made me laugh out the class most dropped out, 1 felt better the rest worse . I lady did her own fight and flight to the toilet and was never seen again. I was the only man in the group proving English men don't do therapy, and to be honest I see why its a joke . Only you and me buddy posting THEY MUST ALL BE CURED

Great thread, guys

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Originally Posted by sewerrats

I was forces into CBT, BUT the fight and flight cave man theory had me thinking, a cave man would run from a predator and loose his bowel movement has he ran to lighten his body . I can believe but that but the thought of a cave guy running with diarrhoea spurting from his **** made me laugh out the class most dropped out, 1 felt better the rest worse . I lady did her own fight and flight to the toilet and was never seen again. I was the only man in the group proving English men don't do therapy, and to be honest I see why its a joke . Only you and me buddy posting THEY MUST ALL BE CURED

hahahahahaha

SewerRats in group therapy with a bunch of women bringing out the cave man fight or flight theory. Getting down to basic instincts. That is classic stuff there my man.

I actually think it is true too. You will "lessen" your load while in flight.

[sewerrats]

Originally Posted by zinco14532323

hahahahahaha

SewerRats in group therapy with a bunch of women bringing out the cave man fight or flight theory. Getting down to basic instincts. That is classic stuff there my man.

I actually think it is true too. You will "lessen" your load while in flight.

Yes I do to buddy . I myself use to get ribbed for not going on holidays ,abroad or long bus trips , it wasn't the plane I was scared of like many thought, it was the clostraphobic type situation that brings on the fight or flight cave man style shits, you cannot stop them so imaging trying to get to the plane toilet and your nor quick enough or the same on a bus . the cave man bit is spot on. What brought mine out was has an apprentice we were driven to different building sites that could be 40 mile a way. I asked the driver once to pull in has I needed a **** , he said NO we have only 20more miles to go. WWWWWWWWhat there was 30 men on the bus ands it near on killed me to hang on that 20miles I could hardly walk with pain. EVERY DAY AFTER getting on that bus after was hell the driver unknowing and uncaring had triggered in my head a problem that lasts till today. the bastard

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Anyone thinking of booking a long stay in hospital forget it. they let my buddy who lives next door out for a home visit after 7 weeks in the ZOO, HE is a wreck , he was talking like he had a mouth full of small stones, and way way out his comfort zone ,they took him back after 2 hours , FROM the hussle and bussle of a mental hospital to a peaceful living room of his own house was just to much for my buddy . I FEAR FOR HIM

Something went terribly wrong when the option of longer-term hospital stays was obliterated. It is truly insane when the only way a mentally ill person can get long-term inpatient care is if the person is a criminal.

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Originally Posted by Sister Rags

Something went terribly wrong when the option of longer-term hospital stays was obliterated. It is truly insane when the only way a mentally ill person can get long-term inpatient care is if the person is a criminal.

He may be in long term but the hospital has a policy which is a good one, of letting you out with your family for short periods , has long has you can manage basicly. usually to start with a couple of hours. Then when you have had enough get back to the hospital and resume treatment . That way one day he may say I don't want to go back and the shrinks think he is stable they hand you over to the crisis team . Less chance of leaving the real world behind that way

Well, then that's a good thing I suppose

[sewerrats]

hello friends I am back. Now listen to this, my buddy mick just done 10 weeks in hospital, he was taken ill again on holiday. They tried to give him ECT but forgot he had a metal plate in his jaw from fighting , near blew up the hospital and him. started him on a massive drug program , they found he has not been finishing his trails and cutting them short after 3 weeks with side effects. So they kept him in the zoo and told him if he didn't do the trails they were abandoning him. First trail failed , then put him on high doses of mirtazpine , Effexor, and a antiphycotic . 8 weeks he lay in bed till they told him to get up has the discs in his back were going off line. he started to have the odd day at home but now he is home and back at work. So who ever tells you meds don't work ask my buddy mick who is a new man all be 3 stone heavier. Do the full trails or your wasting the hospital and you own time.