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Old Aug 31, 2014, 01:26 AM
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I hate this. I was 111 pounds before I started any psych med, and now 9 years later, I am almost 300 pounds. It is totally not fair. I also have PCOS which causes insulin resistance, i.e. pre diabetes, and weight gain. My husband doesn't even blame me for being overweight. Doctors just say "just lose weight" and it will get better. But they are the ones prescribing the meds that make my appetite go up and my weight go up! Also I just learned that prozac can mess with your blood sugar levels! I'm like a few years away from diabetes and this is how they treat me?
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Old Aug 31, 2014, 07:03 PM
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I see an issue where that has been ongoing the last 15 years. Bipolars don't seem to be stabilized anymore. In the old days many were on lithium which usually worked quite well, some don't tolerate it and some get toxic. But the main thing was still getting mood swings under control. These days they might instead add a few pretty weak epilepsy meds as stabilizers. Sometimes docs even think all in that class are equally strong when in fact some basically have almost no stabilizing effect at all.

Stronger stabilizers could be tegretol and depakote, weak ones topamax and neurontin. Even with the stronger you might have to be on more than one.

Doctors solve this these days by adding an antipsychotic med. For mood swings. But not really. For the effects of mood swings. Justified sometimes but IMO not always. Those meds come with quite harsh side effects, the newer ones they usually want to prescribe come with a strong disturbance in handling carb and sugar.

And yea they do hand them out like candy at times, I am not even bipolar and still tried two antipsychotics. (Because it was believed they would take away bad thoughts, fat chance they did that!) And now they prescribe them for sleep. I am somewhat worried.

Options... could be, try a stronger mood stabilizer... take AP as needed (if that would work)... or get on a AP diet (described by my old doc as quite close to Atkins, since even with the med, processing fat and protein is near normal, processing carb is VERY disturbed).

Wish you luck.
Hi Jimi,

That is interesting, are you saying that using Anti Psychotics to treat bipolar is a new thing and they used to only use mood stabilizers? That is so much more rational thinking. But rational thinking doesn't always make Big Pharma money. Three out of four of the AP I've been on are in class action law suits, and me being scared is not enough of a reason to warrant taking one PRN.

You are absolutely correct they are handed out like candy, and the newer brands like LaTuda and Abilify scare me more. I went over $200K in debt on Abilify that's not including the thousand a month I was paying for the pills. It was the only time in my many years with bipolar that I had a problem with manic spending. The Abilify lawsuit over gambling addiction (I thought it was funny at first) includes clients who went through their life savings, filed bankruptcy, and lost everything.

I was inpatient with this poor kid who was bipolar, hooked on meth and about 19. He grew breasts on Risperdol, and that's probably when he got into meth. One of the patients was trying to help him and say join that law suit and stick it to those ****. He just said the reconstructive surgery would cost $10,000 to $20,000 and anything made off the lawsuit the lawyers would get the most of the money. It just broke my heart.
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Old Aug 31, 2014, 07:15 PM
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My shrink said I should try Abilify as augmentation for depression. But I also just got a report that my blood sugar is too high. Doesn't that mean that I shouldn't get near something that might make my blood sugar even worse? And it lowers metabolism and increases hunger. Was I told this? No. Did he know about these concerns of mine before. Yes.

I think 10 years ago any doctor would lose their medical license for giving you a med causing an adverse reaction to a preexisting illness without having you sign a release beforehand. Or maybe this is just something that pdocs are able to get away with even though they went to medical school. AND, big pharma knows to make the side effects that are undesirable in fine print. What is funny is every single "weight neutral" AP has a possible side effect of "weight gain." But marketing their drug under the name "Weight Neutral" makes billions of dollars.
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I just went off it AMA. I texted him telling him why. His explanation was that those things only happen at higher doses…...
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What bothers me is that many doctors write off these concerns as "vanity" too.
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Old Sep 02, 2014, 04:35 PM
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I just went off it AMA. I texted him telling him why. His explanation was that those things only happen at higher doses…...
Me too, but I'm keeping the info to myself because I know the reaction will be negative. I completely understand.
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What bothers me is that many doctors write off these concerns as "vanity" too.
I could not agree with you more. Thank you so much for your post!!
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Serious weight gain is a health issue and also affects energy, exercise, and therefore mood. Plus it leads to other conditions. So how could anyone really think of it as a question of "vanity"? And the blood sugar issue leading to diabetes????
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Serious weight gain is a health issue and also affects energy, exercise, and therefore mood. Plus it leads to other conditions. So how could anyone really think of it as a question of "vanity"? And the blood sugar issue leading to diabetes????
Very true. It's always been odd to me that weight gain was an acceptable side effect when they have all these warnings about what being over weight can do to you... Definitely WTF worthy. Although the doctor would only prescribe the medicine if the benefits outweighed the risk right?! Right? Non Ethical Prescribing

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Old Sep 03, 2014, 05:44 AM
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And for a lot of people obesity drastically effects their mental health.
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Old Sep 03, 2014, 06:02 AM
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I hate this. I was 111 pounds before I started any psych med, and now 9 years later, I am almost 300 pounds. It is totally not fair. I also have PCOS which causes insulin resistance, i.e. pre diabetes, and weight gain. My husband doesn't even blame me for being overweight. Doctors just say "just lose weight" and it will get better. But they are the ones prescribing the meds that make my appetite go up and my weight go up! Also I just learned that prozac can mess with your blood sugar levels! I'm like a few years away from diabetes and this is how they treat me?
I'm so sorry to hear that! I can not believe your "doctors" are putting your overall health at risk by continuing the medication. I took prozac for many years and had no idea it raised blood sugar. I'm on Lexapro now which is very similar and reduces appetite in some people. I've read about pcos and the link to weight gain. I just went through one ultrasound Ugh! My heart goes out to you.
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Old Sep 03, 2014, 06:05 AM
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I feel like they are taking you apart and treat you piece by piece. I have many times told docs they cannot prescribe a certain med because it is a lupus trigger and I don't wanna die and they treat me like we prescribe the same stuff if you are healthy or not, deal with it. It's not so bad. And your other illness is not OUR problem!!!!
I know they have websites where you can enter meds and it will feed into a database to tell you what other meds (including OTC ) they adversely interact with. But it's time consuming not to mention the doctor's JOB!!
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I always research a medication before I even try it. but that is just me and my personality. Most of the time in the past when I was on numerous psych meds I would be the one to actually bring up a possible med to try.

It works for my pdoc and I . Also a great place to check on medication interactions is your pharmacist, they have loads of info , just have to ask them.
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Old Sep 03, 2014, 07:47 AM
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I always read up on meds and I did it before the Internet as well. Once in the way past, I wanted the doc to read me the reported side effects, because otherwise I would have to go to the library for the same book she had in her office. She said Oh it's the usual, some nausea that will pass maybe some feeling tired. I said No I want to know what it really says. She told me she didn't want to tell me because then I would make myself have all the side effects.

Sigh. So the library it was.
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I try to pay attention to only the most common side effects that are listed.

My doctor just doubled my Seroquel, which is the medicine that made me gain 50 pounds. I've already noticed an increase in sweet cravings and it makes me lack self-control. I called my Dr. and he said to eat fruit and go to weight watchers. I don't have enough money for that amount of fruit!

He does understand my wanting to get off of it, though, and has been working with me - first try was latuda, then abilify - neither of them worked out for me. I don't know what's next, but he's very conservative and it takes a frustrating length of time to change to a new med. In the meantime I continue to blossom!

The only med. that has worked for weight loss for me is wellbutrin, but my doctor doesn't want to increase it because of negative side affects the last couple of times I increased it -dizziness and falling mainly. Is Wellbutrin an option for you - to add to whatever else you need to be stable?
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I am not currently overweight, but I am also not taking anything. However, I have had two experiences in the past of rapid weight gain (35-45lbs in ~6months) associated with antidepressants.

What pisses me off the most if when I attempt to discuss my desire to avoid those two ADs, citing my experiences, doctors always respond with regurgitated 'statistical' crap such as "Well, in clinical trials, lexapro only demonstrated minimal weight gain with a max average of 5 pounds per patient. So the idea that it caused you to gain so much weight is not empirically founded"

And I'm like "yeah, those clinical trials are for 12 weeks. NOT A YEAR!" Not to mention that drugs companies are going to blur as much evidence in their trials of undesirable side effects as possible.

I KNOW my body and I know that I don't just randomly balloon in weight, depressed or not.

I know so many people on medications with health issues that are very over weight and I feel very sorry for them. I understand that not everyone can make it off medication like me and I have never been able to drop the weight while I was medicated -- only after stopping or while taking something that (for me) was weight neutral like Prozac. Their bodies are dying in an attempt to reach 'stabilization.'
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Old Sep 03, 2014, 06:29 PM
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I always research a medication before I even try it. but that is just me and my personality. Most of the time in the past when I was on numerous psych meds I would be the one to actually bring up a possible med to try.

It works for my pdoc and I . Also a great place to check on medication interactions is your pharmacist, they have loads of info , just have to ask them.
I think that's great info, Christina. Unfortunately, from bad experiences this will be a rule in my life. Thanks for the tip on pharmacies. Web sites can be daunting.
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