[k123]

Can someone without bi polar tolerate 600mg of seroquel and still fully function the next morning? I want to know if it would be possible to take it without having a mental illness? I am still searching for proof that I am bi polar

[venusss]

some people are bipolar and cannot tolerate a particular med. Some people just metabolize drugs (in general) quite well. Also... I think anybody could actually develop a tolerance (not sure, but maybe...).

Just because you can "function" on a drug doesn't mean you have a certain illness. Proper way to diagnose is looking at symptoms (preferably while not on anything).

[sewerrats]

I your not ill and take a med you will get ill, but if ill an take the right med you get better thats the therory. you dont take meds to see if your ill , you will no if you are believe me/

[k123]

I have been diagnosed with bpd and bi polar traits. Everyone keeps saying my dose is so high. I just have trouble accepting the bi polar part because I don't Realise my "manic" state or depressive like everyone else can..that's why I feel confused

[Travelinglady]

You could have a milder version of bipolar. I have what's called Bipolar II and my highs aren't really high---no out of control spending, etc.

As VH says, you can't use how you respond to a drug like that to confirm this diagnosis. Seroquel is an anti-psychotic used for calming purposes, but it might take more to knock one person out than another.

[Perna]

How do you envision a drug being tested in that fashion?

All med responses and doses are idiosyncratic; depends on your height, weight, genes, past medical history, susceptibility to various side effects, a zillion things that can't be known until a med is tried for what the doctor diagnoses.

[k123]

Originally Posted by Perna

How do you envision a drug being tested in that fashion?

All med responses and doses are idiosyncratic; depends on your height, weight, genes, past medical history, susceptibility to various side effects, a zillion things that can't be known until a med is tried for what the doctor diagnoses.

The drug isn't being tested, it was prescribed by the doctor who diagnosed me with bpd and bi polar. I am 165cm and 70kgs...I have been taking it for months but at this dose it's been about 1mth. I wanted to know if I wasn't bi polar/bpd would I be able to take it.

[sewerrats]

Originally Posted by k123

I have been diagnosed with bpd and bi polar traits. Everyone keeps saying my dose is so high. I just have trouble accepting the bi polar part because I don't Realise my "manic" state or depressive like everyone else can..that's why I feel confused

i said to a shrink i think im bipolar, he said you can be what you want but do you really want to take mood stablizers when you dont need them. i am a depressive anxierty suffer , i though he has a point hear why label myself more meds

[Anika.]

Antipsyhotics are the major tranquilizers class. They are prescribed to people with no mental illness as well for insomnia, so yes normal people can take them. They are also used as add ons to antidepressants with people with no Bipolar. And again they are used for schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder and probably a few other uses in their as well, making it impossible to dx based on reaction.

People usually build a tolerance to them and the dose increases to achieve the same effect. And the tolerance can build quite quickly. 600 mg is quite a lot but I have seen people on pretty high doses of seroquel who appear to be functioning. I have bipolar 1 with psychotic episodes and could not tolerate more than 200 or so mg's and could not function at all, so it really does depend on the person.

[sewerrats]

Originally Posted by Anika.

Antipsychotics are the major tranquilizers class. They are prescribed to people with no mental illness as well for insomnia, so yes normal people can take them. They are also used as add ons to antidepressants with people with no Bipolar. And again they are used for schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder and probably a few other uses in their as well, making it impossible to dx based on reaction.

People usually build a tolerance to them and the dose increases to achieve the same effect. And the tolerance can build quite quickly. 600 mg is quite a lot but I have seen people on pretty high doses of seroquel who appear to be functioning. I have bipolar 1 with psychotic episodes and could not tolerate more than 200 or so mg's and could not function at all, so it really does depend on the person.

Who on earth would take a major mental health med for insomnia , benzo,s are addictive but i would sooner take them than a drug for schizophrenia and bipolar with all the dietry probs. Antipsychotics are the big guns in mentall illness.

i have the answer lol

yes u can take 600 mg or more of seroquil and still function

becuase u wont get prescribed 600mg from the start

it will slowly be increased to 600 and your body will adjust to it

u wont even be sedated in the end

i was on 700mg of thorazine and felt compltely normal

your body adjust to it , it sounds like alot but u get used to the feeling and u might feel sedated at first but the sedation feeling will fade away in time

[clash]

It pains me to see all of these poor people suffering because of Seroquel. I started taking it in August of 2000. Up until then I had been taking only one medication. Soon after taking Seroquel my health started going downhill fast. My weight balooned from 200 to 400 lbs in a year and among other things I would find myself staring at one point in the wall for hours. I was wrongly diagnosed as bipolar. I have just been recently correctly diagnosed with PTSD. My new doctor said that i am not bipolar in any way, shape or form. I was not informed about Seroquel causing diabetes, severe weight gain, heart attacks and seizures. Until it was too late. In 2004 I was worried enough to do something that you should never do. I took myself off Seroquel without informing my doctor. Things were rocky for about four weeks but by the grace of God I pulled myself out of it. My physical health is still worsening. I will never be the same person again thanks to Seroquel. I was diagnosed with Type-2 Diabetes. I am now doing research,and helping others understand their

[Anika.]

Originally Posted by sewerrats

Who on earth would take a major mental health med for insomnia , benzo,s are addictive but i would sooner take them than a drug for schizophrenia and bipolar with all the dietry probs. Antipsychotics are the big guns in mentall illness.

Ya eeek! Begs the question...who would prescribe them.

[venusss]

ad: "normal" person. Apparently, Seroquel is a party drug, street name Susie Q. Not sure about how much people take (snort) or why on the freaking earth would somebody take this **** for the lulz... but eh. So "normal" people take it.

[k123]

Originally Posted by VenusHalley

ad: "normal" person. Apparently, Seroquel is a party drug, street name Susie Q. Not sure about how much people take (snort) or why on the freaking earth would somebody take this **** for the lulz... but eh. So "normal" people take it.

Yeah ok, but do they take it and go to work and function normally? That's the question....b

[venusss]

well, I suppose they do sober up after some time.

But as me and others said... it depends more on how you metabolize stuff than on the particular disorder.

[sewerrats]

Originally Posted by VenusHalley

well, I suppose they do sober up after some time.

But as me and others said... it depends more on how you metabolize stuff than on the particular disorder.

You didnt say wrekky drug on your first anwser, that covers just about every med has a one off party drug. It all started with amfetimin then heroin mixed with valium ect ect these are not everyday normal people.

Originally Posted by k123

Can someone without bi polar tolerate 600mg of seroquel and still fully function the next morning? I want to know if it would be possible to take it without having a mental illness? I am still searching for proof that I am bi polar

Get diagnosed by a psychiatrist before you even start to worry about Bipolar Disorder and psychiatric medication. It is difficult to diagnose yourself on the Internet and no reason to stress yourself out over a hypothetical situation... unless I have missed that you were diagnosed somewhere and are questioning the diagnosis. If that is the case then disregard the first part.

And yes at high doses they can function. It is an individual thing.

[k123]

Originally Posted by Frenetic47

Get diagnosed by a psychiatrist before you even start to worry about Bipolar Disorder and psychiatric medication. It is difficult to diagnose yourself on the Internet and no reason to stress yourself out over a hypothetical situation... unless I have missed that you were diagnosed somewhere and are questioning the diagnosis. If that is the case then disregard the first part.

And yes at high doses they can function. It is an individual thing.

I was diagnosed by 2 psychs, and a GP who specializes in mental health. I just wish I had proof, physical proof which obviously I can't get...

there is no scientific proof of any illness

which is why im amazed at these insurance companys puting out all this money for medication when there is no real test for it

psychiatrist vote by a show of hands on what should be considered an illness and then they put it in the DSM and make money off it it

thats tha reality

[LoneWolfie]

My own experience I am taking 100mg of Seroquel at night so that I can sleep. I suffer from bpd and I am using the med to calm the swirling thoughts so that I can sleep at night. If I don't take it I would probably stay up all night. That is my experience with the drug.

Most nights it works, some nights my thoughts are still swirling around like mad and I only manage a few hours sleep.

[sewerrats]

They no through experience what to look for, so if you show signs of a certain illness they have a pretty good idea ,it not just a stab in the dark.With bipolar you may have just 1 manic time or hundreds its still the same illness. You need mood stablisers when manic, if depresssion you dont you need AD,s. SCITS you need antiphcotics, and the list goes on.

[cocoabeans]

Originally Posted by VenusHalley

ad: "normal" person. Apparently, Seroquel is a party drug, street name Susie Q. Not sure about how much people take (snort) or why on the freaking earth would somebody take this **** for the lulz... but eh. So "normal" people take it.

They do it while coming down from amphetamines or cocaine.

[shortandcute]

I'm not sure why you would want to take that if you're not bipolar. And if you want proof, why don't you see your doctor about it?

[clash]

http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/03...fit/52597.html

Adding Antipsychotic Meds to Antidepressants Shows Risk, Little Benefit

By TRACI PEDERSEN Associate News Editor Reviewed by John M. Grohol, Psy.D. on March 14, 2013

Atypical antipsychotic drugs —which are now commonly prescribed as an add-on therapy for the treatment of depression —offer few benefits and risk significant side effects, according to a new study.

The side effects of these drugs include extreme sleepiness and weight gain.

“It’s become pretty clear that antipsychotics are being used at an increased rate for depression over the last few years, so we wanted to see if the evidence supported that practice,” said Glen Spielmans, Ph.D., a researcher and associate professor of psychology at Metropolitan State University in St. Paul.

Only one-third of patients with depression responds to antidepressant medications —one of the main reasons that physicians are prescribing additional antipsychotics.

In fact, the practice of using antipsychotics as an adjunct therapy has nearly doubled from the mid-1990s to the late 2000s.

For the study, researchers reviewed 14 previous randomized clinical trials in which the combined use of an antidepressant and an antipsychotic medication were compared to the use of an antidepressant with a placebo.

The medications investigated in the studies were aripiprazole (Abilify), olanzapine/fluoxetine (Symbyax), quetiapine (Seroquel) and risperidone (Risperdal).

The results showed a small benefit with antipsychotic use on relieving the symptoms of depression. But when the researchers looked for a more meaningful outcome —whether the patients’ quality of life had improved —no benefit was found.

“In terms of quality of life and how well people were functioning, there was really not much evidence that these drugs did anything,” said Spielmans.

Antipsychotic medications were associated, however, with more negative side effects, including weight gain, akathisia (a feeling of restlessness), sleepiness and abnormal results from cholesterol and other metabolic-related laboratory tests.

“Taken together,” wrote Spielmans and his study’s co-authors, “our meta-analysis found evidence of (1) some improvement in clinician-assessed depressive symptoms, (2) little evidence of substantial benefit in overall well-being, and (3) abundant evidence of potential treatment-related harm.”

In another study, British researchers found strong evidence that engaging in talk therapy was an effective add-on to antidepressants.

The findings showed that antidepressant-resistant patients who received cognitive behavioral therapy in addition to an antidepressant experienced both a significant reduction in their depression and a significant improvement in their quality of life.

If the results from that study hold, said Spielmans, cognitive behavioral therapy “may be a better choice for more people than taking an antipsychotic.”

Spielmans recommends that patients with depression use caution before taking antipsychotics as an adjunct to antidepressants. “Look at whatever research is available, and encourage your doctor to do the same,” he said.