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Old Oct 13, 2011, 11:43 PM
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"What can make this kind of thing so hurtful is the belief that the T, ever aware and mindful of the emotional scar that the exact same act had caused you, has nevertheless made a conscious choice to force you relive it (be it out of self-interest or malice)"

Sometimes T's do make a conscious choice to force us to relive something extremely painful but it doesn't always mean it's due to self-interest or malice. Sometimes it's out of genuine concern for our well being. If we're potentially setting ourselves up for disaster or heartbreak but we want something so desperately that we are unable to see the dangers realistically, the kindest intervention, regardless of how painful it may be, is to insist that we take a closer look at it. I see neither self-interest not malice in Calista's T's message. I see concern for Calista and for her grandchild. I understand that it feels very hurtful because it feels as though her T is treating her the same way, but the operative word here is "feels." Feelings are not necessarily facts, so even though it feels the same as it did in the past, I don't see that her T is acting out of malice or self-interest or ignorance at all. I see him acting out of genuine concern, because IF something were to happen to the baby then Calista would be forced to experience a much deeper, more profound pain than what she is feeling right now. And she would likely relive it for the rest of her life.
Yes, you're absolutely right, Preacher - and that's actually what I was trying to express (by using the word "belief"), but I guess I was a little clumsy about it. What I meant to convey is that our knee-jerk emotional interpretations of this kind of thing invariably lead to the assumption that it was motivated out of malice or self-interest. That's why I wanted to encourage Calista to try candidly expressing how she feels to her T; it may give him the opportunity to alleviate her pain in the same way my (former) T did for me.

I think the angry, wounded undercurrent that (no doubt) runs through my responses makes it difficult to glean the positive (when it's there). I need to work on that...
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 05:09 AM
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First let me just say that I do understand the hurt and pain your T's comment must have made to you- especially given your history.
However I don't think he means you could hurt your grandson intentionally. Isn't it possible he means that you should not be watching a child when severely tired? I sometimes cant sleep for a week at all and it takes a great toll on me. For example I fall in micro sleeps everywhere. So I don't drive, wont bathe my baby etc.
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 05:44 AM
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You know even with all the legal coverings, the problems with not sleeping, the idiotic family, Even if he is 100% correct, what your therapist said hurts. It would hurt me too - a lot.

Yes, intent matters, yes honesty matters, but I gotta say, hurt matters too.

This is something that I would definitely put in front of my therapist should it ever happen to me and I hope you will do the same.

Your family may never get it, but - oh boy- your therapist should.
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 11:19 PM
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I saw T today and was more quiet than usual. He knew why. He immediatly appologised for the wording of his e mail and the hurt it caused. I really couldn't connect at all with him today and didn't try. I just wanted to get out of there. I was so numb , I didn't feel anything eventhough right before I left to see him, my internet, tv and phone were shut off for non payment. I felt dead inside and I'm thinking at times like this, with so much happening, numb is a good thing.
Anyway T acknowledged that he knew where my hurt came from and how it must have made me feel. He assured me that he didn't feel I wasn't "safe" to watch the baby. He asked "How can I best help you?" I appreciated the sentiment, but there was nothing he could do. It was a very quiet, long session.
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Old Oct 17, 2011, 03:03 PM
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I saw T today and was more quiet than usual. He knew why. He immediatly appologised for the wording of his e mail and the hurt it caused. I really couldn't connect at all with him today and didn't try. I just wanted to get out of there. I was so numb , I didn't feel anything eventhough right before I left to see him, my internet, tv and phone were shut off for non payment. I felt dead inside and I'm thinking at times like this, with so much happening, numb is a good thing.
Anyway T acknowledged that he knew where my hurt came from and how it must have made me feel. He assured me that he didn't feel I wasn't "safe" to watch the baby. He asked "How can I best help you?" I appreciated the sentiment, but there was nothing he could do. It was a very quiet, long session.
Thanks everyone for the responces.
I might have reacted to the therapist the same way after dealing with all this, if the shoe was on my foot.

I hope things get better with him.

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Old Oct 19, 2011, 12:48 AM
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We see him tomorrow...we'll just have to see I guess. I'm in no mood to talk to anyone, let aloine him.
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Old Oct 19, 2011, 01:17 AM
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I agree, sometimes numb is good. It can have a protecting and comforting quality to it.

I hope your next session goes well and you can reconnect with T.
Sometimes when I feel the least like talking to T or connecting with her, is when it happens in a nice way. I hope that happens for you.
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Old Oct 22, 2011, 11:14 PM
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With the added stresses of not having gas money to get to T and not being able to pay property tax (possible tax lein) I just exist from minute to minute. I'm not sleeping well at night. I can only sleep during the day which messes everything up in my body. I don't feel like I have anyone. I can't even get the energy to feel sad. I will not confide in T any more. I can't trust what his reactions will be.
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Old Oct 23, 2011, 04:53 AM
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Tonight T e mails me and tells me he thinks watching my new grandchild is too dangerous to the baby given how hard a time I've had sleeping. I could get psychotic.....
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I can see how this would hurt you. But it doesn't look like betrayal. T is NOT siding with your brother. He just happens to to have the same opinion.

Painful to hear, painful to say, but is it possible he might be right?
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Old Oct 23, 2011, 04:07 PM
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With the added stresses of not having gas money to get to T and not being able to pay property tax (possible tax lein) I just exist from minute to minute. I'm not sleeping well at night. I can only sleep during the day which messes everything up in my body. I don't feel like I have anyone. I can't even get the energy to feel sad. I will not confide in T any more. I can't trust what his reactions will be.
I really hope things work out.

I empathize.

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Old Oct 24, 2011, 12:21 AM
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I can see how this would hurt you. But it doesn't look like betrayal. T is NOT siding with your brother. He just happens to to have the same opinion.

Painful to hear, painful to say, but is it possible he might be right?
I've raised two daughters throughout my mental issues and never had a problem. I never raised a hand to them because it was done to me, and I swore I'd be different. When (if) I ever did feel unsafe, it was to myself, never the children. I would never harm a child after being harmed myself.
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 02:00 AM
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I've raised two daughters throughout my mental issues and never had a problem. I never raised a hand to them because it was done to me, and I swore I'd be different. When (if) I ever did feel unsafe, it was to myself, never the children. I would never harm a child after being harmed myself.
I guess T is being overcautious then.
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