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Old Jan 16, 2012, 09:46 PM
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I mean, if I go in there and tell T that I realize I need to stop pushing him away, he can actually help me with that? Because I have no idea how to do it. I can barely keep a hold on the fact that I need/want to do so.

There's an annoying paradox here. I need help. How can he help me if every 5 mins I go all whacko and convince myself that I don't need his help? UGH.
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Old Jan 16, 2012, 09:52 PM
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Maybe in that 5 minutes something, even small, will stick and build on the next 5 minutes and so forth. Or at least that is what I tell myself. If it all came at once, I would be washed away so I can only handle the little bits. And, or so I tell myself, it gives the t a good balance between those like me who push away and others who pull towards. We keep their work interesting.
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Old Jan 16, 2012, 09:54 PM
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pbutton, maybe the sheer act of forcing yourself to continue going in the face of an almost overwhelming desire to push the T away is, in and of itself, healing.
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Old Jan 16, 2012, 10:06 PM
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my longtime T used to say that the longer you can stand to live with paradoxes like this, that's what it takes to change. I am just buzzed that you ARE going in there with this, I have been thinking about it all weekend. it's such a huge step. One so CANNOT change without this acceptance. It's the confucius saying of a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
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Old Jan 16, 2012, 10:41 PM
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If he falls out of his chair with shock I'll be sure to take a photo to post here.
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Old Jan 16, 2012, 10:49 PM
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I need help. How can he help me if every 5 mins I go all whacko and convince myself that I don't need his help? UGH.
you keep going. you keep trying. you don't tell him, he can't help you. you DO tell him, the odds that he can help you increase astronomically.
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Old Jan 16, 2012, 11:14 PM
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If he falls out of his chair with shock I'll be sure to take a photo to post here.
I wish T had taken a picture when I flipped over laughing in the stupid fancy Eames chair, me and the chair both went over backwards into the corner. It's not every day I pull a stunt like that! We were talking about it again the other day, and he goes, "You showed such aplomb." I go, "Plums, yeah, I think you could see my cherry, too." Cheap shot, but what the hay.
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Old Jan 16, 2012, 11:19 PM
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If he falls out of his chair with shock I'll be sure to take a photo to post here.
I know you have a panic button & more or less why, but what's the source of the stand-up comic's mike?
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Old Jan 16, 2012, 11:33 PM
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I wish T had taken a picture when I flipped over laughing in the stupid fancy Eames chair, me and the chair both went over backwards into the corner. It's not every day I pull a stunt like that! We were talking about it again the other day, and he goes, "You showed such aplomb." I go, "Plums, yeah, I think you could see my cherry, too." Cheap shot, but what the hay.


i don't think ive ever even tried to crack a joke in there. i'm always so serious. LAME.
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Old Jan 16, 2012, 11:43 PM
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i don't think ive ever even tried to crack a joke in there. i'm always so serious.
I don't try, it's my sickness. T's are always kinda criticizing me for it.
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Old Jan 16, 2012, 11:45 PM
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Cheap shot, but what the hay.
Take 'em where you can get 'em!

Pbutton...I think you T can help you with this problem if you just tell him.

Regarding the thread title...no...T's are human and their knowledge is finite. For example, I would never take fashion advice from my T. She can match her clothing and has a few outfits I like; but some of the things she wears makes me cringe. I'd love to take her shopping and give her a makeover!

She took her wig off recently to show me how her hair was growing back. She's naturally blonde and her wig is a blonde bob with some fringe bangs. She normally has it combed down in "perfect bob formation". When she put the wig back on, it was fluffed out. I tousled it a bit and told her she should wear it that way because it looked more natural. I've had 4 sessions since then and she's worn it the way I showed her for 3 out of the 4.

Sorry...totally off topic really, but my meds are kicking in and I should go to bed!
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Old Jan 16, 2012, 11:49 PM
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Yay for you pbutton!!!
It is so cool reading threads where people are changing themselves the way they want to like this. I think that just telling your t that this is what you're thinking will let him help you. It will let him understand how well you understand what you need to do. So he can better understand how to encourage and guide you to keep doing it.
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Old Jan 17, 2012, 06:38 AM
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Hi Pbutton,
I don't really have any advice. I am just enjoying this thread because of all of the philosophy and humor it is supplying!
Good luck in getting your t to treat your needs and lack of needs! Maybe if you only feel you need him half the time, he can reduce his fee by half????
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Old Jan 17, 2012, 09:06 AM
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I think people naturally oscillate, like fans, back and forth, back and forth. Yet the air gets moved around and we feel better.

Go figure. Anne
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Old Jan 17, 2012, 09:09 AM
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Maybe if you only feel you need him half the time, he can reduce his fee by half????
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Old Jan 17, 2012, 10:50 AM
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I want to do this. Mostly. lol Then I start thinking that T will somehow be pleased by my decision and I get grossed out. I'm back to not wanting him to be pleased. UGH. I don't go until next Monday afternoon so I guess I have some time to get accustomed to it.
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Old Jan 17, 2012, 04:27 PM
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AAAAAaaaand... feeling better again. If nothing else, I can monitor the cycle of back and forth. Guess we'll see which category I fall into next time I'm sitting in the room w/T.
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Old Jan 17, 2012, 04:37 PM
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But you didn't use to realize this! That's progress. You can't just suddenly stop pushing him away, you first have to see the problem then he and you start to catch you in instances where you are doing it and "fix" that and eventually the time between the doing and catch gets shorter and shorter until you think of it but don't do it and, finally, you don't even think of doing it!
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Old Jan 17, 2012, 09:35 PM
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AAAAAaaaand... feeling better again. If nothing else, I can monitor the cycle of back and forth. Guess we'll see which category I fall into next time I'm sitting in the room w/T.
When I first came out of depression I went into bipolar. But it was a step forward.
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Old Jan 18, 2012, 12:22 AM
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The answer to the OP is a resounding "NO". They can't help you with anything. You have to know the answers yourself. The therapist is not allowed to teach you anything.. they just use their little tricks to coax you into teaching yourself. And that is great if you know the answers. But if you don't .... you're stuffed. The T isn't allowed to give you any advice whatsoever unless you are a risk to yourself or others (in which case they will schedule you). But its all on our shoulders, basically. That's what I have learnt in my 4 years of therapy and 4 years of university.
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Old Jan 18, 2012, 12:43 AM
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AAAAAaaaand... feeling better again. If nothing else, I can monitor the cycle of back and forth. Guess we'll see which category I fall into next time I'm sitting in the room w/T.
haha, I just compared my cycle to yours in my thread before I read this. I would NEVER have thought of paying attention to something like that if I hadn't read such a thinker-ish post as yours.

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The answer to the OP is a resounding "NO". They can't help you with anything. You have to know the answers yourself. The therapist is not allowed to teach you anything.. they just use their little tricks to coax you into teaching yourself. And that is great if you know the answers. But if you don't .... you're stuffed. The T isn't allowed to give you any advice whatsoever unless you are a risk to yourself or others (in which case they will schedule you). But its all on our shoulders, basically. That's what I have learnt in my 4 years of therapy and 4 years of university.
The first three sentences of your post sound like some wise philosophical truth some guru would say. Then your post starts sounding frustrated. I think the t should "coax you into teaching yourself" in a way you can realistically understand, not a way that makes you feel frustrated like there are answers you can't get. I'm sorry you feel like that. I hope you can find a way to express your questions so you can get answers and explanations from people.
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Old Jan 18, 2012, 06:27 PM
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The answer to the OP is a resounding "NO". They can't help you with anything. You have to know the answers yourself. The therapist is not allowed to teach you anything.
I don't agree.

It is plausible that T can't tell you anything new about yourself.
But they can and do teach skills and new ways of thinking.
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