[docjp]

If the prefix psych is drawn from the Greek "psyche", which it is, and psyche means self, soul, and mind... should we not conclude that the term psychotherapy ought to be a treatrment of the Esoteric realms withn the human being? <font color="#000088"> </font>

[Rapunzel]

That's one way to look at it.

[(JD)]

hehehe Was your subject line a typo? or perhaps a Freudian slip?

Welcome to PC.

Depends on what you mean by Esoteric -

one definition is mystical, spiritual occult point of view and the other is knowledge only suitable for the initiated, advancced or priveledged, which is not known to the public -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric

[docjp]

The dictionary definition, mine, is that the Esoteric is knowledge that only the specially initiated alone can understand. "Initiation" simply means that the Esoteric, such as the MIND realm, can only be accessed when ones Attn Aspect of Apapsyche is focused within the MIND realm....and cannot be experienced via the brain.

[PasDeDeux]

By your name I see doc, are you a doctor? If so what kind? thanks ahead

[nothemama8]

could you possibly bring your wording down to laymans terms as some of us are not collage ppl
Angie

religion the soul and so on -

http://www2.whidbey.net/minder/ApaPsyche.

http://www2.whidbey.net/minder/humanbeing.html

http://www.geocities.com/esominder/Apapsyche.html

http://www.geocities.com/esominder/STrans.html

http://www.omplace.com/ubb/Forum51/HTML/000001.html

http://www.omplace.com/ubb/Forum51/HTML/000002.html

not sure if religiious beliefs are able to be discussed on the public boards docjp so Im bowing out of this discussion now.

take care and welcome to psych central.

[docjp]

Hello:
The problem is not the words, but the concepts the words are being used to address. The brain is incapable of perceiving the MIND or Spiritual realms within us... however, the MIND feeds the brain thoughts [I refer to these thoughts as D-Think, for Delusional Thinking], that cause us to believe that we can understand anything with our brains.

The MIND is not physical, and the brain is. To access ones MIND intentionally requires training and practice... even though we do access it automatically [and momentarily] whenever we are enraged or in deep grief....then we quickly begin thinking and the rage turns to "anger" and the grief turns to "sadness". The raw emotion is MIND-level energy, and the feelings are brain-level thinking.

Because there are very few words for the energy operations within the MIND and Spiritual realms within us, I have created terms and symbols for these operations and processes. One word we do have, such as "mind", is most often used interchangeably with brain, and thus, "mind" no longer refers specifically to the non-physical energy simultaneously existing with us.... and this is the reason I use all capital letters for MIND, simply to try and differentiate it from "mind".

[JustBen]

Are you suggesting that we base mental health treatment on an imperfect translation of a Greek word?

[docjp]

I'm unsure of the thrust of the question... is current mental health practiced by individuals with an "imperfect translation of a Greek word?" Yes, that is what I am suggesting.

I am not suggesting that we do so.

The essential short coming is more than a simple imperfect translation, however. I believe the essential faculty for effective psychotherapy is empathic Knowledge that allows the therapist to Know, intuitively, what a client needs to discover in order to instruct the client's MIND to releasae what it is refusing to release . This is a particular bit [which I refer to as DbAaMT = dissociated bit of Apapsyche as misperceived trauma] needs considerable explanation. Bottom line, the repressed trauma that needs to be discovered via catharsis.

To effect this, a therapist must have undergone a catharsis of the same DbAaMT within him/herself. To know this, one needs to have a perfect translation.

[docjp]

I have a Ph.D. in Psychology.... but I am not a psychologist in the modern sense. My work over the last quarter century has been in the Esoteric realms within Man.

[docjp]

MYSELF:

It is crucial that sane individuals clearly distinguish between religion [which is a belief] and Spirituality, which is a reality... until and unless one is able to disprove it... not as conjecture, but in an absolute sense.

The current condition of Political Correctness can be used as an excuse by some to sustain a fear of the unknown within themselves, and to insist that others not frighten them by discussing that which is frightening to them...but, this is also a land where free speech is supposedly allowed and encouraged.

To deny oneself one third of oneself becaue it frightens others is to give far too much power to those fears... which should be dealt with via elevation of consciousness [or in my parlance Apapsyche].

Unless one knows precisely what it is that sustains ones conscious awareness, and that what this is, is not ones Soul, one is obliged to share it with others as an absolute denial of the Soul. Lacking that ability, one ought not deny the Soul, or Spirituality, or to fear either.... certainly the discussion of either. How else can one discuss the third realm existing within every human being?

[Evangelista]

Not a typo Sky..just another form of psychology..

Found some info below.. Thank you for posting this thread..it does cause one(s) to pause and reflect on different modalities of treatment...and Welcome..

BEHAVIORISM: Including cognitive-behavioral approaches

Perhaps the biggest difference between behaviorism and transpersonal psychology is that behaviorism focuses only on the observable and measurable and therefore excludes the subtle and subjective and rejects the study of consciousness (the eye of flesh versus the eye of contemplation).

Behavioral models focus on instinctual conditioning and lower-level needs such as survival and safety, and have no acknowledgment of positive values such as love, bliss, awe, etc.

However, many transpersonal methods can be understood from a behavioral model. In his chapter in Boorstien, Daniel Goleman suggested that meditation is natural global self-desensitization. One becomes less reactive to one's own inner world by learning to simply witness the flow of consciousness. Furthermore, many spiritual traditions focus on ethical behavior as fundamental to spiritual growth.

With cognitive-behavioral models, there is interest in the surface level of subjectivity, self-talk or automatic thoughts, conceptualized as the intermediaries of behavior. The focus in therapy is changing these thoughts or self-talk which express one's beliefs and perceptions.

Many transpersonal approaches are cognitive, focusing on changing perceptions such as who you think you are. There is a significant difference, however. Cognitive approaches focus on replacing one thought, belief, or form of self-talk with another (I'm bad to I'm OK). Transpersonal approaches focus on not identifying with any of the self-talk, not repressing or judging thoughts but simply witnessing them and being identified with something larger. If we can watch and change our thoughts, this must not be who we are.