Home Menu

Menu


Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #26  
Old Jul 19, 2014, 09:28 PM
stopdog stopdog is offline
underdog is here
 
Member Since: Sep 2011
Location: blank
Posts: 35,154
The therapists I have seen have all been sole practitioners and had sliding fees. The one I see now I know has worked with clients who could not pay or who needed a flexible payment schedule.
__________________
Please NO @

Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live.
Oscar Wilde
Well Behaved Women Seldom Make History - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.
Thanks for this!
coconut64

advertisement
  #27  
Old Jul 19, 2014, 11:15 PM
feralkittymom's Avatar
feralkittymom feralkittymom is offline
Grand Magnate
 
Member Since: Aug 2012
Location: yada
Posts: 4,415
When I first switched from seeing my T at the University Center to his private practice and was struggling to find a job, he kept my fee the same as I was paying at the Center--which was about the cost of a couple of Starbuck's. It would have been the easiest thing in the world for him to end the relationship when I was no longer eligible as a student, but he didn't. Although I never paid nothing, he always worked with me. Basically, I think he charged a token payment more for psychological reasons than financial ones.
Thanks for this!
coconut64
  #28  
Old Jul 20, 2014, 01:47 AM
Lauliza's Avatar
Lauliza Lauliza is offline
Grand Magnate
 
Member Since: Nov 2009
Location: United States
Posts: 3,231
Quote:
Originally Posted by coconut64 View Post
Anyone has a T that has continued to see you even if you lost your job and couldn't pay temporarily? I told my T that I would pay that I had the funds that I just had to get through the crisis but it wasn't good enough for him. He abandoned me anyway and told me it wasn't abandonment.
I am sorry that this happened. Though I understand that a T isn't obligated to work for free and maybe it isn't technically abandonment, it seems really cold to me. I'd hope that if I were in such a position my T would at least be a little flexible and override the office policy (which I'm sure the can). To drop a client so suddenly does seem a bit mean to me. I do know it happens at the practice I go to though, so I guess It's not uncommon. True single practice Ts sound like they are less rigid with the financial policies.
Thanks for this!
coconut64
  #29  
Old Jul 20, 2014, 02:00 AM
Depletion's Avatar
Depletion Depletion is offline
Grand Member
 
Member Since: Jan 2014
Location: United States
Posts: 813
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lauliza View Post
I am sorry that this happened. Though I understand that a T isn't obligated to work for free and maybe it isn't technically abandonment, it seems really cold to me. I'd hope that if I were in such a position my T would at least be a little flexible and override the office policy (which I'm sure the can). To drop a client so suddenly does seem a bit mean to me. I do know it happens at the practice I go to though, so I guess It's not uncommon. True single practice Ts sound like they are less rigid with the financial policies.
Not giving referrals is illegal, and does count as abandonment.
__________________
Your faith was strong but you needed proof
You saw her bathing on the roof
Her beauty in the moonlight overthrew you
She tied you to a kitchen chair
She broke your throne, and she cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah

--leonard cohen
Thanks for this!
coconut64
  #30  
Old Jul 20, 2014, 02:29 AM
Lauliza's Avatar
Lauliza Lauliza is offline
Grand Magnate
 
Member Since: Nov 2009
Location: United States
Posts: 3,231
Quote:
Originally Posted by Depletion View Post
Not giving referrals is illegal, and does count as abandonment.
It's illegal? When my pdoc was leaving the hospital I initially saw him at for private practice, he said I was welcome to go with him, but understood if I couldn't because of the longer drive. So I did say I may need someone new and he quickly said he was sorry, but he wasn't able to refer me to anyone. He did become colder while I was looking for a new doctor but once I decide to go with him to the new office, he warmed up again. I guess other patients didn't follow him though since I received a letter from the hospital apologizing for his "abrupt" departure and offering a pdoc if needed. So would that mean he abandoned those patients? I did think it was odd at the time but I was told he didn't have to help me find a new doctor.

Last edited by Lauliza; Jul 20, 2014 at 02:43 AM.
Thanks for this!
coconut64
  #31  
Old Jul 20, 2014, 03:46 AM
Depletion's Avatar
Depletion Depletion is offline
Grand Member
 
Member Since: Jan 2014
Location: United States
Posts: 813
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lauliza View Post
It's illegal? When my pdoc was leaving the hospital I initially saw him at for private practice, he said I was welcome to go with him, but understood if I couldn't because of the longer drive. So I did say I may need someone new and he quickly said he was sorry, but he wasn't able to refer me to anyone. He did become colder while I was looking for a new doctor but once I decide to go with him to the new office, he warmed up again. I guess other patients didn't follow him though since I received a letter from the hospital apologizing for his "abrupt" departure and offering a pdoc if needed. So would that mean he abandoned those patients? I did think it was odd at the time but I was told he didn't have to help me find a new doctor.
It's illegal for MD's and social workers to abruptly discontinue relationships with clients/patients without referrals, unless they are under threat or duress. You would have gotten the same letter at the other clients if you hadn't followed your Pdoc. In your case the hospital was responsible for the well being of all patients, and is thus obligated to make the referral. They are the legal party responsible. Usually when MDs leave practices they have someone take over the practice, or the hospital will assign the practice to someone new. So, no your Pdoc didn't abandon anybody, because the hospital acted on his behalf, and made a suggestion/referral.

In case you're curious here's what is says in the social worker code of ethics:
Social workers should take reasonable steps to avoid abandoning clients who are still in need of services. Social workers should withdraw services precipitously only under unusual circumstances, giving careful consideration to all factors in the situation and taking care to minimize possible adverse effects. Social workers should assist in making appropriate arrangements for continuation of services when necessary.

I'm sure if Pdoc's have one it would be similar, although they might just be bound by Hippocratic Oath since they are MDs. I'm sure that you can google it if you really care.
__________________
Your faith was strong but you needed proof
You saw her bathing on the roof
Her beauty in the moonlight overthrew you
She tied you to a kitchen chair
She broke your throne, and she cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah

--leonard cohen
Thanks for this!
coconut64
  #32  
Old Jul 20, 2014, 06:42 AM
Lauliza's Avatar
Lauliza Lauliza is offline
Grand Magnate
 
Member Since: Nov 2009
Location: United States
Posts: 3,231
Thank you for this info. I too received the letter, since it was sent out a few months after pdoc left. So it sounds like the hospital didn't take care to notify patients and offer continued care until after the fact and they likely received complaints from patients who were left without a psychiatrist for a couple of months. Now that I think of it, any time I've been notified of a doctor leaving practice, even a specialist, it's been before they are gone and with info for the new doctor that will take over the patients.
Thanks for this!
coconut64
  #33  
Old Jul 20, 2014, 08:10 PM
coconut64's Avatar
coconut64 coconut64 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Member Since: Jan 2008
Location: In my mind
Posts: 708
My ExT does have a private practice so it was his choice to do what he did. I just want to clarify that I did have the funds to pay him. I was just going through a crisis, a really tough time with more bad things about to happen. I shut down completely. I couldnt leave my house, eat, pay bills nothing. I was utterly helpless, hopeless and frozen. T knew this. I even lost my hair in just a couple of months from the stress. Still T terminated me. He could have gotten me through it and then ask for payment. Or just be a kind compassionate human being and help even if it meant going once a week instead of x5. I don't know anything other than what he did.

Two days after her terminated and I was in the midst of a crisis he called. He sounded stressed and he kept telling me to help him help me. Wtf???? When you help someone you do so because you want to.

Like I said in earlier posts I'm devasted and my quality of life has greatly dismissed. I don't know if anyone here can understand me. I simply just cannot dust myself of and go find another T. This all has sunk me to new lows and I simply see no way out.
__________________
The patient's job is to repeat in the therapy all the stuff that has been disastrous before. The T's job is to not let it happen, but to point out how it is happening.

Last edited by coconut64; Jul 20, 2014 at 08:12 PM. Reason: Spelling
  #34  
Old Jul 20, 2014, 11:48 PM
Depletion's Avatar
Depletion Depletion is offline
Grand Member
 
Member Since: Jan 2014
Location: United States
Posts: 813
Quote:
Originally Posted by coconut64 View Post
Two days after her terminated and I was in the midst of a crisis he called. He sounded stressed and he kept telling me to help him help me. Wtf???? When you help someone you do so because you want to.
Maybe he wasn't sure how to help you, and he wanted you to tell him? Any Chance that you pushed him away, or were just to scared to know what to do, or how to explain what you needed?
__________________
Your faith was strong but you needed proof
You saw her bathing on the roof
Her beauty in the moonlight overthrew you
She tied you to a kitchen chair
She broke your throne, and she cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah

--leonard cohen
  #35  
Old Jul 21, 2014, 01:18 AM
Lauliza's Avatar
Lauliza Lauliza is offline
Grand Magnate
 
Member Since: Nov 2009
Location: United States
Posts: 3,231
Quote:
Originally Posted by coconut64 View Post
just be a kind compassionate human being and help even if it meant going once a week instead of x5. I don't know anything other than what he did.
This is an important point that I wasn't clear on earlier. If you were seeing him 5x a week then the first thing he should have done to help was suggest you try fewer sessions. His terminating you without offering any alternatives is unethical. He shouldn't have needed you to tell him, he's the T. He should have some ideas on how else to help you, even if seeing another t is one of them. Can you tell him this? That one way he can help you is by scheduling fewer sessions? Five times a week us an awful lot. So I guess I don't understand fully why he chose to terminate, unless he feels that he doesn't have the skills to help you in the way you need him to. I don't believe it's unethical to terminate for this reason, but he must tell you this and refer you to someone who would be better suited to treat you.
Reply
Views: 2944

attentionThis is an old thread. You probably should not post your reply to it, as the original poster is unlikely to see it.




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:25 AM.
Powered by vBulletin® — Copyright © 2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.




 

My Support Forums

My Support Forums is the online community that was originally begun as the Psych Central Forums in 2001. It now runs as an independent self-help support group community for mental health, personality, and psychological issues and is overseen by a group of dedicated, caring volunteers from around the world.

 

Helplines and Lifelines

The material on this site is for informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment provided by a qualified health care provider.

Always consult your doctor or mental health professional before trying anything you read here.