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Old Mar 27, 2015, 12:10 AM
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I hope you also realize that when your current T finds out your plans, she could easily scupper them all by making a submission as to why you are unsuitable. Just because you get qualifications doesn't mean you get to be licensed. And, to be honest, if you don't have the wherewithal to actually seek out healthy relationships and good therapy, she'd probably be correct in doing that.

You. Need. A. New. Therapist.

Lol she would never do that. That alone would be a serious breach of confidentiality, and I doubt she'd risk her license just for that. But mostly it's just not a thing I see her doing, or even considering doing.

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Old Mar 27, 2015, 09:21 AM
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It must be hard for you to read all of these posts suggesting rather strongly that you find a new T. But it's also hard for me ( I can't speak for anyone else) to see you in pain because of your T, who should be a source of comfort, not pain.
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 09:34 AM
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Why do you stay with her?
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 01:22 PM
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You gotten many supportive and helpful replies so I won't repeat what I have been able to understand so far. I totally get it for several reasons. First I have had a mental health diagnosis (PTSD) that was severe enough to get me on disability. I then started therapy, having no clue and now no longer satisfy criteria for any mental health diagnosis, though of course with a trauma history, especially early and continuous throughout life, I am still vulnerable to stressors. I no longer mention my history to people in the field after trusting and having bad experiences with people who were overly suspicious and not fair minded.

But I have put my personal therapy at the very top in order to get to a place where I know for certain and so do others that I can be a good therapist and if I do have responses, I know what to do with them. That's why I chose analysis rather than any other therapy. Analysts do their own analysis as a requirement. They even compete with each other for how far they can regress to really primitive states. And then later joke about it.

Several great analysts have even had several psychotic breaks, which you would think would somehow disqualify them from serving others. But no, on the contrary, it informed their work. I don't know how public they went when this was occurring and I'm not saying that this is okay universally. It is certainly problematic, but my point is that the field is filled with people who have experienced difficult states in themselves or others and managed to become respected and certainly credible and effective.

This really is not a psychological question, but an ethical one. The fundamental issue is do you put your clients' welfare first beyond yourself and desires and career to know what you have to do to prepare yourself for very taxing emotional work. And do you know what you would do to recognize signs that you were not serving them and what steps you would take to resolve that.

With the criminal record I also feel empathy, not with the particular issues but the whole thing. I have a very old DUI but unfortunately (and I did not realize this until this year) it also included an assault on a peace officer. That is not what actually happened. The cop put her hands all over me when I got a drink of water and I had a spontaneous triggered reaction. They of course did not understand how that sort of thing works. But everyone knows that even touching a cop can result in a battery charge. Thing is I have to compete with people who have a clear record. We have fingerprinting here for all jobs. So far I have been cleared. I think it was so long ago and relatively minor (I paid no fine and was given time served because I sought out treatment).

However, I have since found out that not just once but twice I will have to produce all the documents plus letters and my own account and wait for some unknown committee to respond. I have an A plus record and excellent reviews from supervisors. Still I have to deal with this 20 year old crime anyway. And since it looks on the surface like a violent crime, I could very well be denied. So I get it. They take very seriously any evidence of poor judgement since after all we are signing up to work with mostly very vulnerable people's minds. I totally get it. On the other hand, not allowing for humanness and reform, plus going into "witch hunt" mode which someone told me about several schools they knew about seems very unfair. Schools and placements connected to them or afterwards are usually overseen and if anyone could be seen as a hazard to their standing, they tend to launch a preemptive strike. Strangely enough it is easier to become a psychiatrist and even analyst than it is for these "lower" positions.

Why don't you just get it expunged off your record?

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Old Mar 27, 2015, 01:23 PM
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Why do you stay with her?

That's a good question. I don't know.

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Old Mar 27, 2015, 01:40 PM
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A few people have asked whether your unwillingness to sever your toxic relationship with your T and seek out a healthy therapeutic relationship will impact your ability to provide care for others as a potential therapist.

I am not judging you. I have personality issues myself, so my intention is not to judge but rather to ascertain whether you understand why people are asking you this.

Do you see the relationship?
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 03:59 PM
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A few people have asked whether your unwillingness to sever your toxic relationship with your T and seek out a healthy therapeutic relationship will impact your ability to provide care for others as a potential therapist.

I am not judging you. I have personality issues myself, so my intention is not to judge but rather to ascertain whether you understand why people are asking you this.

Do you see the relationship?
sure i understand why youre asking. but i still dont have an answer.
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 04:43 PM
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Have you ever seen another T for consultation about why you stay with your T? Do you think that might help you figure it out?
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 08:03 PM
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Have you ever seen another T for consultation about why you stay with your T? Do you think that might help you figure it out?
ya, one suggested i report her and find a new T, the other suggested that maybe the discord was due to my BPD and there is healing in working it out, and i should stay and try to.
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 08:12 PM
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Lol she would never do that. That alone would be a serious breach of confidentiality, and I doubt she'd risk her license just for that. But mostly it's just not a thing I see her doing, or even considering doing.

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In our state there is immunity for reports made to licensing boards.
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 08:13 PM
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What state is that? I'd have to ask my ethics professor, but I haven't heard that come up as a valid reason to breach confidentiality.

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Old Mar 27, 2015, 08:48 PM
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In our state there is immunity for reports made to licensing boards.
Most reports seem to be enacted through licensing boards, so it could be that a T has no standing to report someone before they're in the process of licensing--but I think it would be applicable when practice begins because at that point a student is practicing under the supervision of a licensed practitioner. It's a very grey area during the time of study pre-practice, but as soon as you're in a position of providing care, even tangentially, I think the immunity kicks in.

But the general immunity for reporters is pretty common throughout the states as an offshoot of medical and dental mandates to report acc to HHS regulations.
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 08:49 PM
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Acc to HHS regulations? Huh?

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Old Mar 27, 2015, 08:50 PM
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And no, there's no such immunity for therapists reporting their clients. It's a breach and It would get them into trouble

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Old Mar 27, 2015, 08:57 PM
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Well, I think you're misunderstanding whatever info you're relying on. HHS is Health and Human Services. Psychology boards are separate entities, but their alliance with HHS varies acc to the state. Most now fall in line with HHS regulations because of insurance regulations. While you're a student, you're not providing care to others, so I think your T would not have immunity. But as soon as you are in a position to provide direct patient care, even before personal licensing, then I believe she would have immunity--because the "danger to others" trumps confidentiality.
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 08:59 PM
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I still don't believe there's Immunity for this but I'll check with my professor and ask.

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Old Mar 27, 2015, 09:04 PM
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That's a good question. I don't know.
Many people here have told you to leave this toxic T but it's pretty clear that you will not do that.

As someone else mentioned earlier, in order to be a good T, you need to figure out and solve your own issues first. Making straight A's in the classroom doesn't always translate to being a good/effective T. I know everyone here has been very encouraging with you following through with this career goal......but in a way, your T has a point.

This T is toxic to you yet you are unable to leave her. You don't even know why. This is a HUGE problem. Forget solving it....you haven't even managed to figure out/identify your own issues with this. I sincerely hope and strongly encourage you to figure this out and solve it BEFORE putting yourself in a position where you are the T. Otherwise you'd be doing the same thing your T seems to be doing.....trying to help someone else with their own deep emotional issues when you haven't figured out/worked on your own.
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 09:10 PM
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Well I've got two years yet before I see a client, so I've got a timeline for figuring things out. And if I haven't by then, it'll be my choice to decide what step to take next, not hers.

I am working on why I'm still seeing her, I'm just not doing it with her, I'm seeing an Mft intern.

I do not think the current situation will last as it currently is for very much longer, though. I'm thinking of shifting full time to a new T through my insurance, and keeping her as cash pay once a month. I know you all think cutting the cord entirely is best, but it would cause me to spiral out way more than I have thus far. I can't afford to have that happen. But over the past months I've gained some distance in our relationship and think I might be able to handle it better now than I would have 6 months ago but I'm still not ready. I've been suppressing my feelings regarding what she did this past summer with the insurance thing...eating my feelings, as it is, resulting in a lot of weight gain, but outwardly 90 percent less arguing/accusations in therapy. But the more time passes the more I want to discuss it with her but I know if I do, she will likely fear being reported and that will be a catalyst for whatever the next stage in our journey will be...probably an ending.

But if theres a way to work it out, I want to try to. And if there isn't, at least I cam honestly say I did everything I could to resolve it, and didnt just shotgun towards reporting, blaming and moving to a new T.

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ya, one suggested i report her and find a new T, the other suggested that maybe the discord was due to my BPD and there is healing in working it out, and i should stay and try to.

This. I often don't know how to reply to your threads IRL because I find myself vacillating between these two viewpoints.

I think it's as difficult to treat BPD as it is to be borderline.

What I feel certain of though is that if you can make it through this you have it in you to be a really great T. Nothing ever trumps experience. Can you make it through though? Being borderline you are at war with your own mind in a way... It's not going to be easy at all.
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Well I've got two years yet before I see a client, so I've got a timeline for figuring things out. And if I haven't by then, it'll be my choice to decide what step to take next, not hers.
The problem is that currently, you're continuing to spend money on this master's program (either out of pocket or going into debt). It's around $50,000 right? So it's going suck really bad if your own issues aren't solved in 2 years when you need to start making money.

She's not deciding anything for you right now. Forget the future.....YOU are making the choices right now. You are choosing to walk into her office, stay seated, and listen to her talk down to you...which leads you to feel like crap.

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I'm thinking of shifting full time to a new T through my insurance, and keeping her as cash pay once a month.
What is there to think about with this plan? It sounds great. What is stopping you from making this change asap?

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But if theres a way to work it out, I want to try to.
Work out what? What is your goal with this T? And more importantly, do you think this T shares the same goal?
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 10:05 PM
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Work out what? What is your goal with this T? And more importantly, do you think this T shares the same goal?
I think this is key. In order to repair a damaged relationship, BOTH parties need to be willing to work on it and both parties need to be willing to change what they are doing that contributes to the problems. Even if you are willing to change and learn, that isn't enough-- she has to be willing also. She has explicitly told you that, in her opinion, only YOU are the problem and she is doing nothing wrong and she is not willing to do things differently. Therefore, this relationship cannot be fixed. It simply isn't in your hands alone.

In this respect, it's like marriage counseling. A marriage cannot be saved if only one party is interested in making it work or only one party is willing to change.
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Old Mar 27, 2015, 10:13 PM
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One aspect of being a T that is at particular issue here is the ability to pull away from someone when that is needed therapeutically. When a client has healed and is ready to terminate, it is up to the T to see that termination happens--and not be so attached to a client that the T cannot let go.

This is one reason that I was happy to read of your plan to free yourself of this T.
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Old Mar 28, 2015, 08:34 AM
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Well, I think you're misunderstanding whatever info you're relying on. HHS is Health and Human Services. Psychology boards are separate entities, but their alliance with HHS varies acc to the state. Most now fall in line with HHS regulations because of insurance regulations. While you're a student, you're not providing care to others, so I think your T would not have immunity. But as soon as you are in a position to provide direct patient care, even before personal licensing, then I believe she would have immunity--because the "danger to others" trumps confidentiality.
Risk only trumps confidentiality if the individual in question poses a clear and present danger to others- i.e., someone who has articulated a plan to physically harm someone or who has admitted to currently abusing someone. Past acts do not fall into that category unless it is something already on record, which the OP has already checked out. I guess I don't understand why you might believe this T has a valid concern here beyond her opinion regarding the OPs personality issues. BPD is not a disability in any formal sense. Who knows, the Ts assumptions at present might be correct or they might not be. Either way that's her opinion and she has the right to voice it - to the OP - not grounds for a formal complaint.

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Old Mar 28, 2015, 08:51 AM
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Yeah, I'm not referring to past events. I have no idea what the reality of any risk is, but IRL has posted at times that this T has made statements to her that are pretty specific about her.
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Old Mar 28, 2015, 12:40 PM
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this T has made statements to her that are pretty specific about her.
Okay...what statements are you referring to, and how do they translate into a (reportable) threat to others? The only excuses ever for violating confidentiality are if a person is a direct (physical) threat to themselves or another (specific) person, or in cases of child or elder abuse. I don't recall threatening harm to anyone.

Her opinion that I won't be a good therapist is not a reason to violate confidentiality, and if she did so she would lose her own license.
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