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Old Dec 04, 2017, 12:09 AM
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What those people say about ideal clients
https://pro.psychcentral.com/private...-ideal-client/

Attract More Of Your Ideal Therapy Clients

and of course - yavis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yavis
https://chronicneurotic.wordpress.co...rent-patients/
https://www.improbable.com/airchives...yavis-7-2.html
http://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?do...037%2Fh0085998
https://psychcentral.com/ask-the-the...e-for-therapy/
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Old Dec 04, 2017, 02:36 AM
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Interesting to know--but if you are YAVIS (Young Attractive Verbal Intelligent Successful)--why would you need continuous therapy? (Actually, I can think of a few reasons but when you have more resources, it is easier to manage mental illnesses.)

It reminds me of when I was a teacher--teaching in areas of town where there is more poverty was always more challenging because the kids would lack so many basic things (a good breakfast; sleep routines; basic supplies at home like books, paper, pencils; some were even homeless) that help children thrive in school. I know many, many teachers that start out in schools like these but eventually transfer to the schools in their metropolitan area where the parents are more well off. When my sister and I were in a lower income schools--we spent hundreds of our own dollars on various supplies of all sorts to fill in the gaps (pencils, books, treats/arts and crafts) that we just wanted our children to have. Along these lines--one article talked about how the author did not wants to work with HOUNDS (Homely Old Unattractive Nonverbal and Dumb) anymore because (especially) they weren't always getting paid. In a capitalist society, sometimes money talks. I have noticed that when I was without insurance I had to call about a dozen psychiatrists before I found one that was willing to treat me so maybe a big factor in the USA is that many HOUNDS are without good insurance?

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Old Dec 05, 2017, 10:18 AM
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This is an article I've just randomly encountered, with elements of CSA and related psychoanalytic therapy in adulthood - I thought it might be of interest to some here. I think it could also be a good one to initiate a discussion and critiques about therapy techniques and interpretations (I find it very controversial at least), but it contains maybe too heavy material (!) for an open forum discussion, so I will just post it on this thread.
Incest Article - Dr. Donald Mars
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Old Dec 14, 2017, 01:02 PM
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Mental health care funding cuts and poor mh professional training put the most vulnerable clients at even greater risk-

“Mental health services are telling patients: ‘If you really wanted to kill yourself, you would have done it.’”

Some mental health services are telling patients: ?If you really wanted to kill yourself, you would have done it? | The Independent
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Old Dec 16, 2017, 01:50 PM
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https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/08...our-therapist/
Not sure about this article but it was interesting to read. I found her comments very rude and not boundaries but maybe it's a cultural issue
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Old Dec 16, 2017, 02:11 PM
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I agreed with the author on setting boundaries for the therapist. I did not find it rude at all. So maybe it is cultural.
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Old Dec 16, 2017, 03:27 PM
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I agreed with the author on setting boundaries for the therapist. I did not find it rude at all. So maybe it is cultural.


I think we should have boundaries with everyone including therapists but maybe I found the way she said or wrote those boundaries diaries as rude. Maybe it's that I would find them rude and plenty others wouldn't
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Old Dec 20, 2017, 10:15 AM
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I found that these comments or boundary settings sort of assume that the therapist is a complete dumb-a... I can't see a reason why anyone would find it helpful to see a therapist to whom one needs to say things like that. I found the suggestions to role-play therapy session with a trusted friend especially ridiculous. Honestly, what would justify the need to role-play for therapy session?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for boundaries but that shouldn't be used as a justification for continuing to see useless therapists.
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Old Dec 21, 2017, 05:33 PM
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I don't think there's anything wrong with boundaries but I thought some of the examples were really strange. Like "I'm here to work on my depression so don't ask me about my family" or "I have a history of eating disorder so don't ask me about food", sounds like a way to avoid facing important issues.
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Old Dec 21, 2017, 05:43 PM
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For me, if I am there because I want to fix X - then I am not going to talk to the therapist about Y unless the therapist (and they never did) can tell my how talking about Y will fix X. For me, I did not hire one of those guys to let them run roughshod over me.
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Old Dec 21, 2017, 08:48 PM
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This is disturbing and disgusting-
So, the perp psychiatrist in my case who had his license revoked in two states could have worked at his profession at the VA...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...s-l/971058001/
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Old Dec 25, 2017, 12:02 AM
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Will wonders never cease? A psych today article I agree with

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...gence-the-igen
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Old Dec 28, 2017, 12:37 AM
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More on what those guys think about clients who don't submit
http://www.lianalowenstein.com/artic...ultClients.pdf
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Old Dec 28, 2017, 03:55 AM
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More on what those guys think about clients who don't submit
http://www.lianalowenstein.com/artic...ultClients.pdf
I loved the analogy of therapists with stockbrokers in the "Retention" section.
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Old Dec 30, 2017, 12:34 AM
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More on what those guys think about clients who don't submit
http://www.lianalowenstein.com/artic...ultClients.pdf

what the ???? i wonder if ex-t is thinking some of these things about me!! some of the stuff in this article is... i don't even have words.
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Old Dec 30, 2017, 01:55 PM
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More on what those guys think about clients who don't submit
http://www.lianalowenstein.com/artic...ultClients.pdf
Holy Smokes. I don't even know what to say.
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 01:26 AM
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this one is quite distressed that a client did not follow her "directives" but she is determined to beat him

https://www.psychotherapynetworker.o..._noonthrottled
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Old Jan 17, 2018, 04:48 PM
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this one is quite distressed that a client did not follow her "directives" but she is determined to beat him

https://www.psychotherapynetworker.o..._noonthrottled
"When no one is paying you, the patient will listen to you, because he will feel obligated. To help Bob, I have to be more controlling than he is. So I will talk to him for free, on the condition that he follow my directives, until he's able to leave L.A. I know how difficult it is for him to pay his bills. My generosity will shock him. Is this out of compassion and empathy? No. I love the intellectual challenge of banishing a stubborn symptom, in spite of the patient's efforts to hang on to it."
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Old Jan 18, 2018, 02:57 PM
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"When no one is paying you, the patient will listen to you, because he will feel obligated. To help Bob, I have to be more controlling than he is. So I will talk to him for free, on the condition that he follow my directives, until he's able to leave L.A. I know how difficult it is for him to pay his bills. My generosity will shock him. Is this out of compassion and empathy? No. I love the intellectual challenge of banishing a stubborn symptom, in spite of the patient's efforts to hang on to it."
At the beginning of the article she said that all therapy clients are "resistant," because they wouldn't "listen to the advice of friends and relatives," the theory being if they did they wouldn't need therapy. So I wonder why she thinks that once she no longer charges he'll "have" to listen to her free advice when he hasn't listened to the free advice of his friends. I think she's destined to "fail" again. Only now she's going to fail without getting paid.
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Old Jan 20, 2018, 12:11 PM
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How those guys view mistakes or, as they are more apt to call them, learning opportunities (because we all know therapists are human and don't make real mistakes)
Why Practitioners Need to Talk About Mistakes
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Old Jan 20, 2018, 01:24 PM
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"... I love the intellectual challenge of banishing a stubborn symptom, in spite of the patient's efforts to hang on to it."
I think this is where my t and i are. There is me, there is t, and there is the issue. Like in the Anonymous programs, dont they want you to "admit you are powerless against it"? The problem is something i am fighting, not something i am embracing. The twig was bent this way long ago.
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Old Jan 20, 2018, 07:14 PM
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For me, they don't just get to banish stuff if I am not ready do it. The arrogance.
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Old Jan 20, 2018, 07:26 PM
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I dont think thats how it works. Maybe it does on surface stuff, but not intractable stuff. Otherwise they COULD practically bottle it.
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Old Jan 20, 2018, 10:40 PM
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I do think it is how it can work and it is the only way it would for me. Those people do not get to decide if, how, when, or what I do or change.
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The Truth About The Codes Of Ethics: Dispelling the Rumors that Dual Relationships are Unethical

Quite often on this forum the issue of friending your former therapist comes up and to the ethics of whether it is or isn’t proper and if it is, then when can a sequential relation begin. I’m no a fan of the author, Zur, but this article covers many of the major professional associations ethic codes in the US along with commentary by Zur. He also mentions Australian and Canadian ethic codes.

Dual Relationships - The Truth About Dual Relationships Codes Of Ethics and Dispelling the Rumors that Dual Relationships are Unethical, by Ofer Zur, Ph.D.

In the end it is really up to the therapist and I gather most covered by these codes don’t want it or are to afraid because we live in a litigious nation.

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