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Old Sep 17, 2016, 05:17 PM
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I'm currently actively working through ET with my therapist. I don't want to jinx anything but I think it actually might be helping. It seems that the day after I unburden something I've felt really scared to tell him about my feelings for him, I have a really good day. It's been twice so far. I haven't even told him the really "bad" stuff yet about the specific sexual feelings. I'm considering actually doing it, because I've been depressed for so long that a few minutes of embarrassment might actually be worth it.
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Old Sep 17, 2016, 05:23 PM
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I have never heard anyone describe what it looks like to "work through transference". As far as I can tell, it is an entirely improvised practice. This seems rather at odds with the seriousness of what is potentially involved -- fooling around with childhood trauma, deprivations, neglect, etc. If a therapist cannot explain precisely how this will work, how often it does work, how much experience they have with it… i don't see how it is ethical to attempt it. I actually think it is an elaborate hoax.

In my case, nothing was discussed, no process explained. Blind leading the blind.
I read Kohut's Restoration of the Self several years ago and loved it! Not sure I want any more therapy -- but my guess is that Self psychologists do understand it pretty well. But it's a good point -- why can't, and don't, all therapists explain the process as they understand it upfront?

Maybe it would help and be a little less touchy, OP, if you asked him to explain how he understands transference and working through it? Partly so you'll understand more yourself but also to see if you feel comfortable with the way he explains things.
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Old Sep 17, 2016, 05:48 PM
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I read Kohut's Restoration of the Self several years ago and loved it! Not sure I want any more therapy -- but my guess is that Self psychologists do understand it pretty well. But it's a good point -- why can't, and don't, all therapists explain the process as they understand it upfront?

Maybe it would help and be a little less touchy, OP, if you asked him to explain how he understands transference and working through it? Partly so you'll understand more yourself but also to see if you feel comfortable with the way he explains things.
I'm interested in the theories. But i see clinical application to be a totally different animal. This is where, in my view, clinicians make vast and crazy leaps. As in... this adult patient did not get needs X, Y, Z met in childhood and now I as therapist/surrogate-parent will provide them in laboratory form and the patient will be healed. In my experience most therapists have no process or method, only a collection of jumbled theories and ideas. Hence, they prefer not to discuss. Much easier to just direct the client to start talking, and see what develops.

Maybe OP could send an email asking for a brief written plan. Then the therapist could ponder it and reply.
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Old Sep 17, 2016, 10:05 PM
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....And I've thought before that I'm all over it, only to have it come roaring back. Which he's said is totally normal. It's not 100% dealt with, but definitely a good percentage.
Yeah, that has happened with me too, a few times. I want it done! Good to know it's normal though! Glad you have such an understanding MC. I'm guessing an understanding H too? ((Hugs))
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Old Sep 17, 2016, 10:08 PM
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I have never heard anyone describe what it looks like to "work through transference". As far as I can tell, it is an entirely improvised practice. This seems rather at odds with the seriousness of what is potentially involved -- fooling around with childhood trauma, deprivations, neglect, etc. If a therapist cannot explain precisely how this will work, how often it does work, how much experience they have with it… i don't see how it is ethical to attempt it. I actually think it is an elaborate hoax.

In my case, nothing was discussed, no process explained. Blind leading the blind.
I need to address this with him next session. I feel like I am owed a game plan or at least a vague outline of where I am supposed to be headed. I know nothing.
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Old Sep 17, 2016, 10:14 PM
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My long term t is a self psychology guy. Kohut high five!
To be honest, I don't know much about kohut or self-psychology... I need to go read
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Old Sep 17, 2016, 10:17 PM
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I am not actually sure what "working through" means exactly... I guess letting the experience unfold, discussing it in a useful way, deriving meaning and potentially fresh perspective from it?

I had some intense transference reactions with both of my therapists, different kinds. I typically told them about these quite soon after realizing what was going on and we talked about it some, a few of these discussions were right on the money but with my first T, he has a tendency to distort my thoughts and feelings and infuse them with his own stuff, and from all I know, he does this with many patients. He apparently "worked through" the things where all that comes from, which might be true in terms of his understanding it, but he acts out often and tries to force patients into the same mold apparently believing that most psychological problems stem from the same, universal, source. I do think that his idea is true for many people and those will find the approach helpful, but not everyone. I did have an intense negative (somewhat maternal, I think) transference reaction to his misunderstanding and misinterpreting me, which I found meaningful, but he did not help me process it, in part because I left driven by the negative experience. But then discussed it with my current T and we continue to do so when there is a context.

With my current T, my transference reactions are more subtle than what would be clearly parental or erotic... there are always strong specific elements and the whole thing is generally very positive. For example, my liking of what I perceive as consistency on his side. I sometimes have fantasies about him being a close friend or a brother. Sometimes erotic thoughts, although I am not sure this is transference per se other than he is just the type of man I usually find attractive. What tends to dominate though is my appreciation of his professionalism. I do not idealize him at all, just tend to focus on the positive qualities. I did mention to him all these reactions and will continue to do so as bringing it up and then discussing is always quite enlightening. But it's not like he provides some brilliant insights I never thought of... I typically come of with the interpretations myself and then we discuss it, that's our way of "working through" I guess.

I definitely recommend bringing up the feelings. Even if they are negative or the T does not really understand them correctly, I think the process of discussing it often generates new forms of self comprehension and perhaps a more realistic perspective. IMO, it's worth the initial discomfort.
Yes, and the more realistic perspective is what I am seeking as an end to the "working through" process. I would love to feel as grounded as you seem to be with your T.
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Old Sep 18, 2016, 01:53 AM
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I'm not sure if working through attachment issues is the same as working through transference, but it seems like I am finally actively working on it after many years in therapy with 5 different Ts. My acknowledgement that she is not the SOLUTION has been a breakthrough for me though I still have a ways to go.

My being totally honest with my T has helped. Instead of thoughts and feelings racing around in my mind, I get them out by telling her exactly what they are. I have said "part of me is in love with you," " I'm attracted to you because you're pretty", and "the child parts still want to climb up into your lap." I felt relieved when my T accepted those feelings. I never hid anything from her.

She always wants to know what I'm feeling toward her but then redirects those needs to those in my life who could meet some of them. We're exploring how I've depended on these fantasy relationships instead of the real people in my life. I think this constitutes"working through" the transference. At least for me it does. We're dealing with it head-on. Directly. My T is showing me the compassion she always has, but at the same time is encouraging my independence.
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Old Sep 18, 2016, 02:02 AM
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With my long term t we had talked extensively over the years about transference feelings that came up in therapy. I'm not sure if that is the same as resolving it though. With my current t relationship ending I will be attempting an eleventh hour discussion of et feelings and what they mean and what to do if it happens again.
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Old Sep 18, 2016, 01:38 PM
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What is described as "working through" often sounds to me more like enmeshment or dependency. I found that therapy induced a false sense of security. There was a presumption that some progress was being made by virtue of the fact that I was attached to my therapist and we were talking about it. But when it ended I was worse off.
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Old Sep 18, 2016, 02:12 PM
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Yes, with my last T and a lot of them who are all about "the relationship" I think it makes them feel good for us to get attached to them and "need" them. So that's like enmeshment in a common fantasy or something. Their needs, not just ours. So then. . .when the fantasy changes and isn't the same anymore, because we are two different people of course . . .it would be great if, then, there could be disagreement and repair but a lot of T's seem unable to handle it. And, again, we didn't know about that possibility going in! Very, very not fair, a scam, a hoax as you have said. T's don't know it either probably -- but, still. . .
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Old Sep 18, 2016, 07:00 PM
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Well...it's possible to acknowledge the transference, explore it in therapy, grieve the lack in your life that spawned the transference , and learn to accept the T relationship as its own unique and special thing.

Its hard though.

And the *T* needs to be up to the task. They need to have dealt with their own stuff, developed an ability to absorb anger etc without being offended, know how to be kind and tender while helping you learn that they can't be a parent but they can be a very important figure in your life.

Unfortunately from what I see here on PC, a lot of Ts haven't done the work on their own lives that is required to help someone resolve tranaference
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Old Sep 18, 2016, 10:56 PM
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lemme get back to u in another 6 or so years

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Old Sep 19, 2016, 10:36 PM
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I had MET with both my ex-T and current T. So, yes, I've had transference and erotic transference. My ex-T. was horrible at figuring it out. She didn't understand it, wasn't willing to educate herself and her reactions made it worse - a LOT worse. I now realize she unknowingly fueled it but she should have had the knowledge. She was inconsistent and my current T. who has been in practice a long time has been very upset by her ignorance.

My current T. is helping me through it and it IS lessening. First, we have talked about WHY I feel the way I do. yes, I told her all about the ET and the other transference. We have figured out when and why the ET happens. It happens anytime I feel attuned to, feel she understands me, am about to disclose something hard or we're having an emotional moment. All things that should have happened when I was little but didn't. So, the nurturing and caring I'm receiving makes me react with the ET. now that I understand, it bothers me less and I can predict why it's happening.

The motherly transference is all positive. She says when I process everything about my mom and my ex-T, the transference will lessen and I'll see her more as "normal". LOL That is already happening. My desire for her to be my mom is a lot less. This has been such a better experience because she's not afraid of it.

I hope this helps. I decided to tell my new/current T. everything because if she couldn't help me, then I needed to find someone who could. I believe I was meant to find her as it has turned out so well.
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Old Sep 19, 2016, 11:43 PM
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lemme get back to u in another 6 or so years

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That's the thing. Once in the grip of one of these attachments, how do you avoid either becoming a therapy lifer, or getting badly disfigured by the horror of termination? Is there some other LIKELY outcome?

The thing that floors me is that many therapists seem to enter into these things casually, and end them with as little care. It's like a game i guess, or an interesting experiment.
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Old Sep 20, 2016, 12:44 AM
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I am a therapy lifer I suppose. However, I recently accepted a new job in a different part of the us which meant giving up my Cbt t who I am enormously attached to. There was a time where I would not accept a job offer if it meant leaving a good t. Although I am attached I don't think I am devastatingly so anymore. I think attachment issues can improve
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