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Old Oct 11, 2017, 02:06 PM
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A friend and I were chatting, about some website I was on where it showed T's in my area who got revoked because of sexual relations etc with clients, makes sense but I am curious, and my friend didn't know, how do people know these things?

I mean, if someone was dating their client, and were secret about it, then how do they get found out about so that things go bad? I guess even same question about friendships

I am not sleeping with nor do I plan to, my T, hahaha just curious is all because this part of things confuses me. I just don't get how all these people got caught

In some of the cases it appears it was texting trails that were sexual, which make sense but again, everything else, I don't get it.

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Old Oct 11, 2017, 04:53 PM
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My impression is that they get caught because the client reports them.
Things "go bad" regardless of whether they are found out. It's abuse.
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Old Oct 11, 2017, 04:59 PM
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Old Oct 11, 2017, 06:22 PM
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I guess I can see that in some cases. I would never do anything like that but I am not the kind of person who would report anyone for anything.

Makes sense if things get bad though why some may.
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Old Oct 12, 2017, 05:01 AM
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Speaking from past experience not all "clients" who go through that would want it in any way shape or form. As for the others, not sure they can really call it consent the T should never allow.
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Old Oct 12, 2017, 07:45 AM
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well obviously some wouldn't. i guess thats probably how most end up on the site, they are clients are the time, that makes 100% sense. i can't see any client wanting it while they are a client.

so i get it in that sense but i guess the after therapy part is still weird but like someone else said, if things go back, the former client probably says something. so i guess i get it. i just was wondering if somehow the big wigs were like spying on clients/therapists and even after therapy, which seemed weird and illegal
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Old Oct 12, 2017, 08:24 AM
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I think what happens in many cases is that the harmful effects of the relationship catch up to the person and they eventually confide in another therapist about it who explains to them that it was abuse and helps them heal from it--one way is by filing a complaint.
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Old Oct 12, 2017, 08:39 AM
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I would never do anything like that but I am not the kind of person who would report anyone for anything.
So - let's say you find out your therapist (or anyone else in a position of "authority") is sleeping with someone else (possibly a minor) - you wouldn't report them?

Also - I think in some areas and depending upon the licensing board - if a client discloses the relationship to another therapist, that therapist may be obligated to report it.
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Old Oct 12, 2017, 09:58 AM
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So - let's say you find out your therapist (or anyone else in a position of "authority") is sleeping with someone else (possibly a minor) - you wouldn't report them?

Also - I think in some areas and depending upon the licensing board - if a client discloses the relationship to another therapist, that therapist may be obligated to report it.
Nope, maybe I'm a jerk but I wont get involved in such things, I avoid drama at all costs if I can, especially causing it, so no. I let **** go.
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Old Oct 12, 2017, 10:39 AM
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Well I suppose it's good to have that level of self-knowledge.
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Old Oct 12, 2017, 02:54 PM
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Wait...if you knew your therapist was sleeping with a minor, you wouldn't do anything?

Dude. Not cool.
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Old Oct 12, 2017, 04:23 PM
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Wait...if you knew your therapist was sleeping with a minor, you wouldn't do anything?

Dude. Not cool.
no its not my business, so why get involved? i highly doubt id know such a thing anyway....
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Old Oct 12, 2017, 04:34 PM
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no its not my business, so why get involved?
Moral fortitude? Like, caring about what happens to people other than yourself?
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Old Oct 12, 2017, 05:33 PM
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Moral fortitude? Like, caring about what happens to people other than yourself?
I can and do care what happens to others, does not mean I got to stick my nose where it doesn't belong. Sorry but no, I don't get involved in other people's drama.... I just don't.
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Old Oct 12, 2017, 06:27 PM
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"It's not my business" is the reasoning behind every person who ever ignored child sexual abuse and let it continue.

Child sexual abuse, which is what it would be if your therapist or ANY adult were sleeping with a minor, is not "other people's drama." It's a horrible and life-destroying thing, and it's everybody's business to step in and stop it.

Sorry. It's not nice to hear, but my opinion of you just took a nose dive into a *****-filled toilet. I'm out. Bye.
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Old Oct 12, 2017, 06:35 PM
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I can and do care what happens to others, does not mean I got to stick my nose where it doesn't belong. Sorry but no, I don't get involved in other people's drama.... I just don't.
I wish someone had ‘poked their nose’ into my business when I was 8 yrs old!! I wouldn’t be suffering from PTSD or the after affects of Sexual abuse now. I would have been taken into care 3 years earlier & would have been safe much sooner! I don’t consider my situation was ‘other people’s drama’.
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 05:47 AM
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I can and do care what happens to others, does not mean I got to stick my nose where it doesn't belong. Sorry but no, I don't get involved in other people's drama.... I just don't.
I woudn't call abuse "drama". Nice way to minimize a crime. Empathy truly is rare.
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 06:24 AM
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Throwing minors into the original question is not really all that fair to the op in my opinion. And not everyone who as a minor had sexual contact with an adult -has the same experience as what others report (I am talking about myself here). Call off the lynch mob here is my suggestion.
In terms of adults -I don’t find a general duty for non therapists to snitch.
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 06:58 AM
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Not assisting someone you know is being harmed is against the law in some nations. Not sure the scope of this law for each particular nation. Some of them seem to apply mostly to first aid while others seem to go beyond.

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Finland[edit]

The Finnish Rescue Act explicitly stipulates a duty to rescue as a "general duty to act" and "engage in rescue activities according to [one's] abilities". The Finnish Rescue Act thus includes a principle of proportionality which requires professionals to extend immediate aid further than lay persons.

The Finnish Criminal Code[20] stipulates

"Section 15 - Neglect of rescue (578/1995) A person who knows that another is in mortal danger or serious danger to his or her health, and does not give or procure such assistance that in view of his or her options and the nature of the situation can reasonably be expected, shall be sentenced for neglect of rescue to a fine or to imprisonment for at most six months."

Germany[edit]

In Germany, failure to provide first aid to a person in need is punishable under § 323c of its criminal penal code. However, any help one provides cannot and will not be prosecuted even if it made the situation worse or did not fulfill specific first aid criteria. People are thus encouraged to help in any way possible, even if the attempt is not successful.[21] Moreover, people providing first aid are covered by the German Statutory Accident Insurance in case they suffer injury, losses, or damages.[22]

Israel[edit]

In Israel, the law requires anyone to assist a person in danger or at the very least call for help. People who help in good faith are not liable for damages. Helpers are eligible for compensation for damages caused to them during their assistance.

United Kingdom[edit]

In the common law of England and Wales there is no criminal liability for failing to act in the event of another person being in danger; however, there are exceptions to this rule. In instances where there has been an assumption of responsibility by the bystander, a dangerous situation was created by them, or there is a contractual or statutory duty to act, criminal liability would be imposed on the bystander for their failure to take action. The courts are reluctant to penalize people attempting rescue and English law makes provision for the actions of 'good Samaritans,' unless their actions were grossly negligent or made a situation worse. Cases such as Donoghue v Stevenson[25] where Lord Atkin culminates the parable of the good samaritan principle to 'love your neighbour' transposed in law for negligence liability. Donoghue won the case.

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In some countries, there exists a legal requirement for citizens to assist people in distress, unless doing so would put themselves or others in harm's way. Citizens are often required to, at minimum, call the local emergency number, unless doing so would be harmful, in which case the authorities should be contacted when the harmful situation has been removed. As of 2012, there were such laws in several countries, including[1] Albania, Andorra,[23] Argentina,[24] Austria,[25] Belgium, Brazil, Bulgaria, Croatia,[26] Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia,[27] Finland, France,[28] Germany,[29] Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Israel, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland,[30] Portugal, Russia, Serbia, Spain, Switzerland and Tunisia.

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Noticed the US doesn't have these, but I think other nations are generally more 'civilized' than the US, which seems to favor the protection and well being of corporations over citizens. (After all, corporations are people too. )
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 07:00 AM
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Throwing minors into the original question is not really all that fair to the op in my opinion. And not everyone who as a minor had sexual contact with an adult -has the same experience as what others report (I am talking about myself here). Call off the lynch mob here is my suggestion.
In terms of adults -I don’t find a general duty for non therapists to snitch.
Easy to say ‘call off the lynch mob’ when it’s already triggered you, with the ongoing knowledge that there are people out there & here, that are happy & worse, comfortable, to ignore abuse of any sort, coupled with their opinions of ‘well it’s not my problem’. You may call it a ‘Lynch mob’, many of us call it, continued abuse!
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 07:19 AM
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Adults are responsible for themselves, in my opinion. I am very much against the idea of infantilizing adults.
And no one can know what will upset someone else for the most part. I don't think anyone in this thread set out to upset anyone else. Differing opinions are not abuse.
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 11:19 AM
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Throwing minors into the original question is not really all that fair to the op in my opinion. And not everyone who as a minor had sexual contact with an adult -has the same experience as what others report (I am talking about myself here). Call off the lynch mob here is my suggestion.
In terms of adults -I don’t find a general duty for non therapists to snitch.
I also don't think anyone in this thread set out to upset anyone else, but it seems the OP invited comments and opinions by introducing the concept of not reporting "anyone for anything". I don't think we should expect people to not respond to what the OP introduces in the conversation. Besides, if the OP deems something not fair, s/he can choose not to answer questions about ideas s/he introduces.

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I guess I can see that in some cases. I would never do anything like that but I am not the kind of person who would report anyone for anything.
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