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Old Feb 14, 2018, 10:24 PM
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How would you feel if you caught your therapist hiding from you?

My therapist had an appointment a few blocks from his office, so I told him we could end our session 10 minutes early so he would have time to get there. We had a 20 minute phone session on Sunday, so I figured it evened out. As I was getting in my car, I see him come out of his building's stairwell onto the street, starts walking my way a few steps, he notices me halfway up the block, and then ducks back into the alcove. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to feel about this. Did he think I was going to stalk him to his appointment? I've seen him plenty of times on the street, albeit mostly unknown to him. Should I mention it to him tomorrow? I guess I feel kind of hurt, but I don't know why.
I'm not totally sure I'm picturing this right. He started to leave his building but then ducked back in? Is it possible that he forgot something, like his phone or to lock his office door? I tend to take awkward moments like that personally, but I am astonished at how often I am wrong, particularly with my T. (I mostly know this about her specifically because she doesn't mind when I over-analyze the absolute pants off of things).

So I guess my vote would be to ask him what happened. But then "talk to your T about it" is pretty much my answer to everything...
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 10:30 PM
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I got notice that my GP resigned effectively immediately today.. I was just going to make an appointment with him this week too. Ugh, I don’t want to go through the process of finding a new doctor! My t is best friends with my GP.. I am thinking about asking him if he could tell me what happened and maybe he was going to practice somewhere else in the area that I could follow him to. Do you think that would be rude?
Did the notice you got say anything about a referral? Finding a new doctor is a total pain. It's incredibly rare for the ones in my area to be accepting new patients, so a referral can help you get in the door somewhere.

I don't think it would be rude to ask your T about it, but I wouldn't count on getting a straight answer. Resigning effective immediately without any type of notice or transition period suggests to me that there could potentiality be something embarrassing or unseemly that happened. But maybe I'm just being suspicious. Either way, I think your T can decide himself what he wants to tell you, if he does indeed know what's going on.
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 10:30 PM
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(((LT))) youre kinda treating this friend like hes your t. Youre seeing your t one more time this week, right?

What is the big deal with seeing these people? Unless its some kind of 70's style encounter group, why do you imagine there will be anything more than polite small talk?

Somebody you havent seen in two years, and who you perhaps inappropriately confessed to last time you talked, probably doesnt really want to bring up the past, except maybe to hear you say, oh yeah that was nuthin. Women might want gossipy details, but as a rule i dont think married men do, esp if they have to answer to their wives, wth was that all about?!

Thats how i see this situation. Your friend is uncomfortable with it, and you are only seeing it from your own point of view. He is thinking, how would i feel if this were my wife? He may have strong feelings about it. He is not a t!
OK, but this (along with a couple others in the group) is someone I've been close friends with since middle school, who has been there for me (and I for him) through lots of stuff. He's someone I felt I could always count on (and vice versa--as in, I'd be there for him no matter what, too). I feel like that's what true friendship is about. I thought he was a true friend. (and this isn't about his wife--I'm friends with her, too.)

It's the illusion of 20-some years of friendship crumbling. Which makes me question other relationships in my life...because if I can't count on him...then how could I count on friends I've only known for, say, 5 years?

I'm not expecting him to be like a T...I'm expecting him to be like a friend. In the same way that I would be a friend to him or to others that I'm friends with...Nobody's perfect--true friends accept that...
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 10:31 PM
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I'm not totally sure I'm picturing this right. He started to leave his building but then ducked back in? Is it possible that he forgot something, like his phone or to lock his office door? I tend to take awkward moments like that personally, but I am astonished at how often I am wrong, particularly with my T. (I mostly know this about her specifically because she doesn't mind when I over-analyze the absolute pants off of things).

So I guess my vote would be to ask him what happened. But then "talk to your T about it" is pretty much my answer to everything...
No, his office is on the 3rd floor. He came out of the stairwell onto the sidewalk. I saw him look and see me opening my car halfway up the street. We're in a city. Then duck back into the alcove where his stairwell opens up into the street. It seems clear to me that he saw me and hid until I drove away.
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 10:33 PM
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No, his office is on the 3rd floor. He came out of the stairwell onto the sidewalk. I saw him look and see me opening my car halfway up the street. We're in a city. Then duck back into the alcove where his stairwell opens up into the street. It seems clear to me that he saw me and hid until I drove away.
That sounds super awkward and like something a character would do in a dumb sitcom. Maybe he didn't want you to see that he was on his way to the butt doctor.
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 10:38 PM
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That sounds super awkward and like something out of a dumb sitcom. Maybe he didn't want you to see that he was on his way to the butt doctor.
I guess it bothers me because I agreed to cut our session 10 minutes short so he could get to his appointment on time and then he hid from me on the street. Am I at fault here for feeling this way? I've seen him on the street tons of times although he may not realize it.
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 10:40 PM
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I'm not expecting him to be like a T...I'm expecting him to be like a friend. In the same way that I would be a friend to him or to others that I'm friends with...Nobody's perfect--true friends accept that...
LT—when we do things and make mistakes, it’s other people’s prerogative to judge us, even if it wasn’t done to them, just as we judge others. I’m sorry your friend didn’t respond as you would have wished, but you can’t force people to accept what to them is unacceptable or questionable. When they do that, they’re not being true to themselves, they are not being the people we made friends with. I presume he has his reasons for reacting as he did (maybe someone else did whatever it was to him, too), just as you have your reasons for reacting as you do to others. He doesn’t owe you anything like forgiveness or reassurance, and vice versa.

Yes, nobody’s perfect. But that works both ways. He’s not perfect either. Give him space, is my advice, show that you accept his decision, and maybe that will help him thaw a bit.
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 10:41 PM
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It was his idea to call me on Sunday. There was no quid pro quo agreement, but I saw it as such and thought I'd be nice and let him get to his appointment on time. Only to have him hide from me. Maybe I'm being ridiculous for nothing, but I feel kind of hurt.
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 10:49 PM
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I guess it bothers me because I agreed to cut our session 10 minutes short so he could get to his appointment on time and then he hid from me on the street. Am I at fault here for feeling this way? I've seen him on the street tons of times although he may not realize it.
When you said yesterday that he said he had a 2:30 appt, i assumed he meant he wanted you to come in earlier, as he had another client coming in at 2:30, not his OWN outside appointment. Then you offered to cut off even MORE time, which he didnt even ask for, but a t is NOT going to correct you on.

So basically he was just planning all along to sneak out of work early, altho he did ask permission. But He thinks you think he had a 2:30 in his own office.
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 10:51 PM
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Did the notice you got say anything about a referral? Finding a new doctor is a total pain. It's incredibly rare for the ones in my area to be accepting new patients, so a referral can help you get in the door somewhere.


I don't think it would be rude to ask your T about it, but I wouldn't count on getting a straight answer. Resigning effective immediately without any type of notice or transition period suggests to me that there could potentiality be something embarrassing or unseemly that happened. But maybe I'm just being suspicious. Either way, I think your T can decide himself what he wants to tell you, if he does indeed know what's going on.


The email said I could transfer my care to any of the other doctors in the practice or they would do anything they could do to help to transfer to another practice altogether.

And my thoughts when I saw effective immediately that something not so great happened. My other thought was what t doesn’t know? Will that throw him off to hear? Chances are slim that he would not be still.. it’s a thought that crosses my mind when thinking about bringing it up tomorrow.
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 10:52 PM
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When you said yesterday that he said he had a 2:30 appt, i assumed he meant he wanted you to come in earlier, as he had another client coming in at 2:30, not his OWN outside appointment. Then you offered to cut off even MORE time, which he didnt even ask for, but a t is NOT going to correct you on.

So basically he was just planning all along to sneak out of work early, altho he did ask permission. But He thinks you think he had a 2:30 in his own office.
No, I thought he had a personal appointment outside his office at 2:30. Does that make sense.?
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 10:55 PM
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No, I thought he had a personal appointment outside his office at 2:30. Does that make sense.?
I know that, but he doesnt know that. Why does no one ever understand my posts!
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 10:57 PM
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The email said I could transfer my care to any of the other doctors in the practice or they would do anything they could do to help to transfer to another practice altogether.

And my thoughts when I saw effective immediately that something not so great happened. My other thought was what t doesn’t know? Will that throw him off to hear? Chances are slim that he would not be still.. it’s a thought that crosses my mind when thinking about bringing it up tomorrow.
My pdoc just did the same thing. Its unnerving.
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 10:59 PM
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I know that, but he doesnt know that. Why does no one ever understand my posts!
Because you’re playing eight-dimensional chess while the rest of us are playing three-dimensional checkers?
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I know that, but he doesnt know that. Why does no one ever understand my posts!
The only thing he doesn't know at this point is that I saw him duck back into that alcove. I knew he had a personal appointment.
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 11:03 PM
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I know that, but he doesnt know that. Why does no one ever understand my posts!
I'm picking up what you're laying down. You think he implied he had a 2:30 client when he actually wanted to scoot up NP's appointment to skip out of work early. NP assumed he was going to his own appointment elsewhere. When he saw her outside the building, he assumed he was busted and hid while she was just left feeling puzzled.

Whatever the situation, I think talking it out in session makes the most sense. Also, NP, I don't think you should feel obligated to shave off session time, no matter what extra thing he offered you earlier in the week. If he couldn't give you the full time you deserve, he could have rescheduled. I know you were being nice, but I also think it's fine to prioritize yourself in the therapeutic relationship.
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 11:05 PM
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... (and this isn't about his wife--I'm friends with her, too.)

I'm not expecting him to be like a T...I'm expecting him to be like a friend. In the same way that I would be a friend to him or to others that I'm friends with...Nobody's perfect--true friends accept that...
Re his wife - what i meant was, maybe this would be a deal-breaker for them. A t separates his personal values from his clients - a friend, maybe not so much.
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 11:08 PM
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I'm picking up what you're laying down. You think he implied he had a 2:30 client when he actually wanted to scoot up NP's appointment to skip out of work early. NP assumed he was going to his own appointment elsewhere. When he saw her outside the building, he assumed he was busted and hid while she was just left feeling puzzled.

Whatever the situation, I think talking it out in session makes the most sense. Also, NP, I don't think you should feel obligated to shave off session time, no matter what extra thing he offered you earlier in the week. If he couldn't give you the full time you deserve, he could have rescheduled. I know you were being nice, but I also think it's fine to prioritize yourself in the therapeutic relationship.
No, I most definitely knew it was his own personal appointment. He didn't try to hide that fact. I offered to cut the session short so he had time to walk there. My only offense is that he saw me on the street and hid in an alcove.
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The only thing he doesn't know at this point is that I saw him duck back into that alcove. I knew he had a personal appointment.
Then why did he duck? I thought he ducked cuz he saw you. But i agree, he definitely had somethin at 2:30!

Eta - from what you said yesterday, it sounded like you assumed he needed the time to walk there. Maybe his car was nearby?
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 11:20 PM
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I guess my point is, if you saw your T ducking to avoid you on the street, would you say something or let it go?
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 11:23 PM
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I guess my point is, if you saw your T ducking to avoid you on the street, would you say something or let it go?
I would say something if it bothered me, which it clearly is you.

(I am one of those people who ducks into alcoves to avoid others out of shyness and discomfort, so if it were me I would just assume he had the same problem.)

I’m sure whatever the reason it’s all about him, not you.
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If it bothered me, I would say something. I doubt I would interpret the behavior you described as having anything to do with me. But I don't usually pay attention to people driving past me, so would not go to the conclusion that the therapist was seeing me and recognizing me even if looking in my direction.
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Old Feb 14, 2018, 11:28 PM
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NP, I would feel horrible. Something like that happened to me, but it was with a therapist in a clinic and he had such a frozen look of terror on his face, turned and ran, that I am pretty sure he was my sister's therapist because we look alike. Even though I didn't even know the guy, and I was there first (it was the clinic coffee shop) his actions made me feel like a creepy stalker.

I honestly can't imagine why he would duck, considering that he was well aware you knew he was leaving for an appointment. I am not you, but as me, I would say something, say how it made me feel to see him do that. He might say he suddenly remembered that he forgot something and had to go back, but you will be able to see by how he responds if that's true or not. And that's why I would do it in person.
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Blondie was dressed up -- and admitted to doing it deliberately -- in full Valentine's day attire.

Red dress, heart-shaped necklace, black lace stockings, red ring even.

At that point, I assumed all attempts at poetry would've fallen flat in the face of such....I dunno........brave display of utter and total kitsch?
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