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Old Jun 25, 2018, 04:11 AM
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My insurance paid out of network reimbursement (70%) for twice a week for 5 years with no questions asked. They also paid for 3x a week one month when I needed it, again no justification needed.

Then I switched insurance. It’s technically the same plan, but through a different employer. Their contract with the insurance company must be very different, because insurance has been on my case since day one of the new plan. After a few months, they did a case review with my T, and decided that they will only pay for once a week. They said that we could have one more week of 2x/week, and then they would only pay for once a week thereafter.

So for now I’m down to once a week, as I can’t pay for a second session myself. (We are appealing the decision.)
I am in a class action law suite because of something like this where I was denied extra sessions when it was clear from the review and from the letters from my T that it was needed. That was United Health Care using Behavioral Health for their Mental Health Coverage.
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Old Jun 25, 2018, 06:15 AM
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FWIW, I did 3x a week for a long time and my insurance never had a problem with it.
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Old Jun 25, 2018, 07:19 AM
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"Intense" is a good way of summing it up. Twice weekly often seems to stir things up more deeply, and many weeks it feels like it makes therapy and the content/issues we're working on have a larger presence in my life overall. On the flip side, having two sessions feels like it's better able to contain that intensity in a (mostly) manageable way.

It's definitely a net positive and I'm really glad I can go twice a week, but my current experience is that it makes therapy into a significant project pretty consistently. As opposed to my experience going once weekly where some weeks therapy felt like a big deal and some weeks it was pretty relaxed, and didn't register heavily or take much energy, 2x makes it feel almost like a work or volunteer commitment I've taken on, where the investment is expected/required whether I feel like it or not. And not in the sense that my therapist is holding my feet to the fire or anything, more that it's something my psyche and internal processes are holding me to and demanding I pay attention to.

I've been going twice a week for maybe 4 months, and I think this is a good description of it. I've also found it helps me with some attachment issues with my T and I'm better able to sit with thoughts/feelings knowing I'll be seeing him in 3 or 4 days instead of 7 (that said, I still e-mail between sessions at times). I feel like I'm making more progress, that I can do deeper work on issues because it's easier to continue from last session (at least for me) if it's been less than a week. I found when I was going weekly, I'd often end up talking about something that happened in my life the past week instead of continuing things from the previous session. I think going more often keeps me focused.


But, working on deeper issues like that also means they're more on my mind. I also can be a bit zoned out after a therapy session, trying to process everything, so twice a week means that happens more often. And then I'll spend some time anticipating the next session, thinking about what we'll discuss. So, as you said, therapy is very much on my mind. Then again, it was on my mind a lot when going weekly before...(and really, for a long time, I was seeing my individual ex-T once a week and my marriage counselor once a week, so I was having some form of therapy twice a week anyway--which is part of why my current T offered me twice a week, now that we're not seeing ex-MC anymore).
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Old Jun 25, 2018, 07:22 AM
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I've been going twice a week for maybe 4 months, and I think this is a good description of it. I've also found it helps me with some attachment issues with my T and I'm better able to sit with thoughts/feelings knowing I'll be seeing him in 3 or 4 days instead of 7 (that said, I still e-mail between sessions at times). I feel like I'm making more progress, that I can do deeper work on issues because it's easier to continue from last session (at least for me) if it's been less than a week. I found when I was going weekly, I'd often end up talking about something that happened in my life the past week instead of continuing things from the previous session. I think going more often keeps me focused.
I agree, and this is one reason I really liked it. I did so much better. We do a "check in" during the week but it's not the same as seeing him and talking about issues. I sometimes get frustrated that I got a great T but he has this annoyingly crappy rule about multiple times a week.
Glad it's been mostly helpful for you
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Old Jun 25, 2018, 08:57 AM
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Can I ask--you can PM me--what insurance you have? I'm worried about mine continuing to cover twice a week (it's out of network, so they only pay 60%). I'm just worried about the audit and that they will decide to deny paying sessions I've already attended. (I have to pay T up front, then submit to them for reimbursement.) They've been behind in compensating, but it's been for stupid reasons, like someone put in the date as the previous year for a session (when I wasn't even seeing this T!), issues with reading the PDFs, etc. I keep having this paranoia that they will say they can't cover twice a week and won't cover the past 5 months or something. But I also don't want to ask for fear it will trigger an audit. Also wondering if it would help for T to list something besides Major Depressive Disorder as the reason code, like maybe if he listed 2 or 3 things (he's confirmed I have generalized anxiety plus OCD), they'd be more willing to pay?
Hi LT - I have a employer/employee owned insurance that is managed by a local insurance provider, so nothing that you could have unless you lived in my area and worked for same employer. When I called, I did ask if my call would flag my file for review as I too was worried about that. At first, I felt weird asking that question; but then I figured I'm talking to someone in the MH/Behavioral Health segment and talking about increasing sessions from 2-3x a week. That person probably has had other calls that would seem as paranoid if not more than my call. The assured me that calling would not flag my file. I can't say that will be the same for others.

I have no clue what my T puts down other than adult psychotherapy. When we (T and I) talked about needing to find a medical necessity reason, I got the impression that she would not be able to fully defend the need. I do feel like the 3x a week have been helpful.
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Old Jun 25, 2018, 11:19 AM
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I am in a class action law suite because of something like this where I was denied extra sessions when it was clear from the review and from the letters from my T that it was needed. That was United Health Care using Behavioral Health for their Mental Health Coverage.
I’m glad that there are people out there fighting this kind of thing. Mine is UHC using Optum. One of the reasons that they stated for the 1x/week decision is simply untrue; T said that she never said that to the reviewer. We’ll see how the appeal goes. They might overturn the decision because of the wrong info, or they might just move the goalpost and say that it’s still not sufficient reason.
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