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Old Aug 03, 2018, 12:29 AM
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I said it before: therapy always ends up being about the therapist. The theory pushed by therapists is that you can say anything in session (which sounds nice). The reality of course is vastly different. So yes of course you can hurt a therapist: all it takes is pointing out that therapists don't do much, that therapy doesn't help and that it's a scam. They instantly get very defensive and lash out. They seem to be the neediest, least self-aware people I have ever met.
Therapists are individuals just like we are. You can't lump all of them in that catagory. There are good T's , there are bad T's. They're human beings with feelings. Sure you'll find some with a huge ego, but if you can't get past that, leave him and find another.Simple, no?
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Old Aug 03, 2018, 12:42 AM
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Therapists are individuals just like we are. You can't lump all of them in that catagory. There are good T's , there are bad T's. They're human beings with feelings. Sure you'll find some with a huge ego, but if you can't get past that, leave him and find another.Simple, no?
Some of us are indecisive and poor judges of character.
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Old Aug 03, 2018, 12:53 AM
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Physical assault from a client is not a common situation in therapy. It's very rare.

In regards to "slipping under their guard" or "overwhelming their defenses", I don't believe that the therapist protective shield has anything to do with being intentionally guarded against possible attacks and keeping their defenses up. It has to do with being crystal clear about what your professional role is and knowing that that role puts you in a much more powerful, therefore less vulnerable position, than the other party.

If the therapist doesn't understand their professional role and that causes them to get traumatized, they should not continue to practice and should choose a different occupation.

All the time I was in practice no client had ever caused me harm even though some clients were mean and intentionally hurtful on occasion. I also can't recall any case of any of my colleagues in which they were traumatized by a client. They were often angry at something a client said or did and they vented about it in supervision and peer consultations, but their emotions were not even near to what anyone would consider a traumatic pain.

I understand why some people would like to believe that they have the power to traumatize their therapists. Knowing that you have the power to traumatize someone who is very important to you feels good on some level because it means that that person cares enough about you to give you the power to traumatized them. Well, they don't care enough about you for you to be able to hurt them profoundly and it's perfectly okay.. But yeah..I understand why it doesn't feel good to accept this reality.


Understanding their professional role doesn't protect the therapist from being hurt or traumatized. Yes, they've had training but they're still human beings. All the training in the world doesn't protect them when they're trying to talk a violent client down. Things happen that are out of the therapists control; sometimes violent things. Is that because they "don't understand their professional role"? There are many scenario's and no one can generalize the whole profession.

Maybe you don't think therapists care enough about a client for that client to be able to hurt them. I disagree. " It's not in their role to care about you as much as you want them to". Well I must be lucky. I don't put my T on a pedestal but we both think a lot of each other, as most human beings need some validation.

also hope that not all clients are so naïve to believe the therapist always , deeply cares . Some do some are more reserved. They are human differences.
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Old Aug 03, 2018, 01:32 AM
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Understanding their professional role doesn't protect the therapist from being hurt or traumatized. Yes, they've had training but they're still human beings. All the training in the world doesn't protect them when they're trying to talk a violent client down. Things happen that are out of the therapists control; sometimes violent things. Is that because they "don't understand their professional role"? There are many scenario's and no one can generalize the whole profession.

Maybe you don't think therapists care enough about a client for that client to be able to hurt them. I disagree. " It's not in their role to care about you as much as you want them to". Well I must be lucky. I don't put my T on a pedestal but we both think a lot of each other, as most human beings need some validation.

also hope that not all clients are so naïve to believe the therapist always , deeply cares . Some do some are more reserved. They are human differences.
I specifically put physical assault by a client aside because it is an extremely rare experience that doesn't reflect the general reality of therapy.

I also didn't say that clients are unable to hurt their therapists. I said the exact opposite. My exact words were "of course, it is possible to hurt them." My post was about making a distinction between a hurtful experience and a real trauma that takes years to heal. Hurt can occur on different levels. Just because you hurt somebody doesn't necessarily mean they got traumatized.

Yes, therapists can be and do get hurt by clients, because, as you said correctly, not everything can be controlled and therapists are not trained to "control" every situation. They don't, however, get traumatized in the same way clients do unless they forget what their professional role is and take clients cases personally. A therapist has the power to traumatize a client for life, but a client doesn't have the same power over a therapist. It is not a "generalization" of the profession. It is a description of a certain reality of the therapy process.

To say it's a generalization of the profession is like saying that it's generalization to state that the main goal of a politician is to get re-elected. The whole purpose of a political career is to either keep the same job at a public office or to take a higher office at some point and to maintain your position there. The purpose of therapy work for a therapist is to be able to look at a client as objectively as possible, which naturally prevents a therapist from getting too personally involved. And when you are not personally involved with someone deeply, they don't have the power to hurt you to the point of traumatizing you while they still can hurt you somewhat.

As to your personal example, just because you and your therapist think a lot of each other doesn't mean you have the power to traumatize your therapist. Thinking a lot of someone is not the same as caring about them in the same way you care about your family and friends and all significant others. I thought a lot of most of my clients. I admired their resilience, I respected them for being committed to working on themselves, I liked them personally and acknowledged their good human qualities. I was committed to doing my best to help them. But I never, not once, cared about any of them the same way I cared about people in my life who were close to me, which means that none of them had the power to traumatize me and none of them did. My therapists were the ones who caused me traumas that I am still trying to heal. My clients never did.
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Old Aug 03, 2018, 04:54 AM
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For every actual assault there are many, many potential assaults. Fear is not the same as injury, but it does hurt.
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