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Old Aug 04, 2018, 03:16 PM
SarahSweden SarahSweden is offline
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No, she partly works with therapy, partly with other things in church.

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What does she do in the church? Charity?
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Old Aug 04, 2018, 03:25 PM
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Thanks. Yes, it could impact me if I suddenly realised she didnīt share my values at all but that she just had seemed to because of her supportive way of being.

I think itīs a good question why those values are important to me. One answer is that my political views arenīt just something that I hold for the moment or because a certain party leader is interesting but it represents much of how I look upon society and other people.

That is, if my T voted for the opposite wing, I would probably feel that she voted against beliefs that are very important to me and also affects my daily life.

I donīt at all think that she would debate or that she would show any dislike but itīs more a matter of how authentic she can be if there was ever to be a situation where political views became apparent.

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That can be a tough dilemma. I try to stay true to my values and end up with similar conflicts in different settings.

Although a therapist's political orientation may not impact her ability to do therapy, you have said that it would impact you as the client.

If her values conflict with your values, perhaps you can turn it into a learning experience to make the best of the situation. Your feelings about this could be something to work through in the therapy itself. Why are such values important to you? I think it is good that you have a solid self concept about your values. Perhaps talking about it could lead to enhanced self confidence in a sense that it may reinforce valuing and believing in yourself.
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Old Aug 04, 2018, 03:32 PM
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Thanks. Yes, I agree knowing how a person votes doesnīt give the whole picture. Asking her about specific values would though probably be too personal and she wouldnīt answer. Perhaps if I asked in a very general manner like "what do you think about all people living on very little money". But not more specifically how she thinks poverty could be solved or similar.

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I think politics is a red herring. Issues of trust don't rest in political opinions, unless you choose to place them there. And even if you knew party affiliation, it wouldn't prove anything. Not all politicians of a party agree with 100% of a party platform in any country. And certainly all voters do not agree with 100% of any politician's views. To reduce politics to such simple distinctions is misleading; to make value judgements on the basis of such distinctions is also misleading.

Why not just ask her the values questions you really want answers to, if you must, rather than hide concerns in political alignments?
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Old Aug 04, 2018, 03:39 PM
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Thanks for this. You mentioned this about being judged and I think to me this is the core to why I think about this issue at all.

Itīs not that I find my therapist judgemental but indirectly I would perhaps feel that way if I know that she actually had very different opinions on matters that are important to me.

She doesnīt seem like a person whoīs very politically engaged, itīs an impression I have, I donīt really know. Itīs not that I think sheīll create some kind of political debate but more that I perhaps realise she votes for the opposite wing and the difficulty in how to handle that.

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I can understand this concern as I would have it too. It may come down to the issue of feeling judged. Here in the states one side comes across as very judgemental although they could probably find a way to say the same about the other side.

If I felt my t was judgemental and moralistic in a narrow and dogmatic way I would view that as incompatible with helping me reach my personal goals. You could use a therapist in a narrow way that can disregard their politics but many of us look at the whole person.
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Old Aug 04, 2018, 03:56 PM
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Thanks. I agree itīs important to know what a vote on a certain party stands for, if it reflects a personīs deeper values or if itīs just "something to vote for as you should vote".

Thatīs though more or less impossible to get to know about a therapist who probably wouldnīt even tell a client "left wing or right wing".

As you say it also has much to do with how one thinks one or the other problem could be solved. Both left and right wing has some kind of solution on how to, as an example, handle people on welfare. But how they actually value and look upon those people differ much and itīs here my concerns emerge as I donīt want a T who "in real life" would look negatively upon me.

I donīt think she actually does but I canīt know what she really thinks about my issues and how autenthic she is when she supports the issues I bring to her.

Sometimes one can meet with a therapist who clearly shows itīs her/his way or no way and who tries to theorise around different issues to get the client to change or "understand the point". My T isnīt at all that way, itīs me who wants like a guarantee that my T can genuinely like me and is authentic within her therapy role.

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This is a valid concern for many clients. I can see how in some cases it'd be impossible to work with the therapist whose political views are very different from your own. I elaborate on this topic in my article here Therapy Consumer Guide - Therapy and Politics

For me the decision to work with the therapist with the different political views would be based on whether I believe their views reflect some deeper moral values or not. Our political positions may or may not reflect our values. I know people with whom I disagree politically who have the same values as I do, but they see the solutions to the societal problems differently from how I see them. I believe their views are based on a lack of education about history and economy, not on a lack of morality or social consciousness. I am pretty sure they think the same about me. With those people I try to continue a dialog no matter how much their views may piss me off.

There are others, however, whose values are clearly different from mine. With those I have nothing to discuss. I know they will follow what they want to follow no matter what I say. If I had a feeling that my therapist was one of those, I would look for a new therapist.

So, it depends..
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Old Aug 04, 2018, 04:17 PM
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One's politics depend on the priorities they give to things. Since therapy is a back-and-forth relationship I think the therapist's politics matter a lot. You can say you don't care about politics but what's going on politically shapes your daily life whether you want it to or not. I assume my therapists share my political beliefs and that's always turned out to be true.
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Old Aug 04, 2018, 05:07 PM
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Thanks. Yes, I agree to that and even if I understand the logics behind a T being able to treat "anyone" regardless of religion or political views I also think politics do have some importance.


As an example my T doesnīt seem to be a person who is very politically active but she still might have opinions I would find hard to accept.


How did you find out about your therapists political views? Did you ask them or did they tell you themselves?

I donīt think my T would answer if I asked her about her political view, she has integrity at the same time as sheīs a warm person. Sheīs not rigid but I notice she, as me, knows well where to place her steps and not.


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One's politics depend on the priorities they give to things. Since therapy is a back-and-forth relationship I think the therapist's politics matter a lot. You can say you don't care about politics but what's going on politically shapes your daily life whether you want it to or not. I assume my therapists share my political beliefs and that's always turned out to be true.
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Old Aug 04, 2018, 05:26 PM
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I suspect this isn't really about politics. It's more likely about values and character. (I don t know how well these words translate into Swedish.).

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Old Aug 04, 2018, 05:32 PM
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I would typically say I don't care, but...
if my T voted for Trump, I'm pretty sure we have a mismatch in personal ethics that would mean I could not work with him as my therapist.
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Old Aug 04, 2018, 07:05 PM
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Thanks. I agree itīs important to know what a vote on a certain party stands for, if it reflects a personīs deeper values or if itīs just "something to vote for as you should vote".

Thatīs though more or less impossible to get to know about a therapist who probably wouldnīt even tell a client "left wing or right wing".

As you say it also has much to do with how one thinks one or the other problem could be solved. Both left and right wing has some kind of solution on how to, as an example, handle people on welfare. But how they actually value and look upon those people differ much and itīs here my concerns emerge as I donīt want a T who "in real life" would look negatively upon me.

I donīt think she actually does but I canīt know what she really thinks about my issues and how autenthic she is when she supports the issues I bring to her.

Sometimes one can meet with a therapist who clearly shows itīs her/his way or no way and who tries to theorise around different issues to get the client to change or "understand the point". My T isnīt at all that way, itīs me who wants like a guarantee that my T can genuinely like me and is authentic within her therapy role.
We have that too in the States here-there are two main parties here. One identifies with values that government should not provide welfare or 'intrude'. The other identifies with values that promote social safety nets. Those parties identify with other concepts, too, but this is a key divide.
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Old Aug 05, 2018, 06:19 AM
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Thanks. Yes, I agree it has to do with her values and character and one way to find out about that is through politics. Even if I now donīt actually expect her to tell me who she votes for.

But it tells rather a lot about how a person looks upon other members of society and is also very much a basis for trust and respect when it comes to a therapeutic relationship.

From what Iīve read here and in other places it seems many T:s vote for left wing parties and sympathize with those of small means. Itīs at least some kind of comfort even if that might not be true when it comes to my T.


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I suspect this isn't really about politics. It's more likely about values and character. (I don t know how well these words translate into Swedish.).

"Is T the kind of person I can trust and respect?"
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