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Old Aug 13, 2019, 12:47 AM
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People got by for all of human history without therapists. Now suddenly some people can't live without them?

Trauma, grief, depression, etc have historically been addressed within the context of real relationships, tribe, family, community.

Now the sufferer is taken out of this context and isolated in a room with a stranger who uses pseudo-medical and clinical concepts and pretends to be some sort of relationship scientist who administers "treatment" and charges by the hour.

Frankly I found it to be like religious or cult indoctrination. The message is... your life difficulties are beyond the reach of your own resources and capacities and real life relationships, and you need to sign up with a guru to be saved.

I get that some people are out of options and might benefit from trying therapy. But seems it should be seen as last resort and a terrible model. Approach with extreme caution.

And in this case you have to ask what is wrong with the way we are living and how can that be addressed. Therapy does not address root causes, it exploits the downstream effects.

People have always healed via organic social systems and thru living close to nature, as our biology expects and demands. Not thru psych cults, artificial relationships, e-relationships, pill bottles, stigmatizing labels.


this conversation and what you posted here reminds me of a recently listened to podcast about the concept of 'Grannies' and 'Friendship Benches' to help those suffering with depression in Zimbabwe. here is a quote from an over view of the episode:

In Zimbabwe, hastily trained "Grannies" were found to be significantly better at treating depression than the standard of care that best resembles Western psychotherapy. Ben and Carrie put on their researcher hats to explore how lessons from Friendship Benches in Africa reflect the need for a mental health paradigm shift around the world.

if anyone is interested, it's episode 6

Very Bad Therapy Podcast
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Old Aug 13, 2019, 05:59 PM
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I had to do this at the clinic I went to (where I was traumatized), and never mind the fact that it just felt so impersonal and invalidating, but the results of my scores on each of those questionnaires each week didn’t feel to me like they accurately reflected how I was doing.
I think the profession would gain a little credibility if they dropped the medical pretension and smokescreen and just acknowledged that what they do is sell relationships.

If therapists cared about their victims, they'd take in an interest in their stories, instead of trying to turn everything into data points they can manipulate to sell the product and compete with the drug-pushing psychiatrists.

Therapists are like the underachieving little sibling of MDs, and try to emulate MDs by measuring stuff. But it doesn't really work and they're mostly just embarrassing themselves, plus putting up a fake "evidence-based" facade. Also MDs are generally pretty ignorant and use testing excessively as a crutch. Not a great model to emulate.
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