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Old Jun 26, 2024, 09:27 AM
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That feels so dismissive on his part. Maybe he isn't personally affected by the energy of a space (although I doubt that), but I'm truly surprised he would presume to tell you you're wrong about your strong reactions to saying goodbye to that space forever.

It's pretty common for people to have reactions to a physical space. For example, if you walk into your old school building, even years later, you might feel strong nostalgia or even dread (depending on your experience in that building). If you've spent a lot of time in a hospital for yourself or a loved one it may be hard to physically be in one again, even years later, due to the physical and emotional affect the space has on you. If a child has a familiar/safe home that they are forced to leave due to a move or change- that can be very destabilizing for kids and take a long time to adjust to.

I think physical spaces can hold a lot of feelings and energy for us, especially very scary ones where we felt a lot of fear and dread, or very safe ones where we've spent a great deal of time feeling safe and being vulnerable. I personally feel incredibly safe in my own bedroom and it has nothing to do with any other people who may have shard the space with me, even in a positive way. It is literally and truly a safe space for me. A sanctuary where I feel safe enough to sleep. If I had to move homes I know it would take a long time to adjust to a new sleeping space.

Anyway, just weird that he would be so dismissive of this concept. I wonder if it's because he too is having some big feelings about the move- but he doesn't like being vulnerable, scared or sad, so....
Hi Inky. Thanks for your comments. I do actually wonder, like you say, whether some of his reaction is about his own feelings of leaving the space. He's said numerous times since announcing the move that some clients have said it's the nicest therapy space they've ever seen, and he's sure no one would say that about the new office. I said, "Maybe they would," and he replied, "I doubt it." And has said it's a downgrade. Perhaps he's also doubting he made the right choice?

He also looked like he was wiping a tear or two when I read the thank-you note I'd written to the office (I was looking down reading most of the time). And he said at one point that he'd miss it, too. So maybe he's also trying to convince himself that nothing will really change, as he's saying that to me.

I agree it's common to have strong reactions to spaces, positive or negative, where you've spent a lot of time. I think I've mentioned this here, but he's also said he's been surprised at how strongly I'm reacting to this (I mean, shouldn't it have been obvious? He knows I get attached to people and objects--why not spaces?). Maybe he just thought it would be no big deal for all his clients? He said how some don't seem affected at all (I asked--I don't feel he was saying that to make me feel bad or anything). It just seems he was being a bit delusional thinking no one would care--I imagine some of his co-workers' clients are affected, too (they're all moving).
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Old Jun 26, 2024, 09:32 AM
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Incidentally, Dr. T texted me a bit ago to let me know the move had suddenly shifted to next Tuesday and Wednesday (was supposed to move part today and part Friday). And he said "It's a mess." He wanted to let me know so I could think about how I wanted to handle next week when we meet (virtually) tomorrow, as my Wed. session would of course be canceled. I did appreciate the advanced notice, though it's a bit annoying. I was upset for a minute (in part because I'd scheduled my minivacation around the move). Then I had the thought "OK, this is like 1,000 more times stressful and disruptive to him, so..."

And now that I think about it, I'm glad for my sake that he didn't know that at the time of my session yesterday. As I feel OK about my good-bye to the space. Had he said then that the move had shifted (he said he just found out last night), the session likely would have gone very differently (in part because he surely would have been additionally stressed).
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Old Jun 26, 2024, 10:07 AM
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Thanks, LT.

It's so much about 'passing the emotion' to the other person.
Sharing physical space helps me find the wherewithal to say the things that are hard.

If I'm not able to say the things that are hard, am I really doing therapy?
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Old Jun 26, 2024, 10:43 AM
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L's on vacation. Of all the time to be on a vacation, it had to be this week. We are dealing with a major rupture, which was getting a little better. I even joked with her on Saturday that for being me and having BPD, that 2 weeks wasn't too bad a time for things to turn around. She agreed and thought it'd take me longer. Anyways, she allowed me to email and text her throughout the leave. Yesterday she sent a text saying she'd be out of service most the day, but it never went through. When she got back, it went through, and it felt like she brushed it off. She didn't apologize or be empathetic. So I sent her a text about this and other things. She responded that she was going to respond via email because it might take some processing. So to me that means no more texting, least not on those topic. She emailed me and in that email said she'd rather discuss this in real time... But for something she didn't understand, I could write as much as needed.

I don't know what to do! Respond via email to the whole email? Respond only to the part confusing her? Just stop texting and emailing, go it on my own?

I feel like ghosting her. She knows how hard everything is for me. Like I'm going through some hard s***. She agreed to emails and texts. H is beyond pissed at her. I don't know what to do with her. I wish I would have left her two weeks ago. Now I feel stuck with her.

But who am I hurting? Me or her? Should I just risk pissing her off and respond to everything?
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Old Jun 26, 2024, 10:59 AM
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I'm sorry you're going through this, Scarlet.
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Old Jun 26, 2024, 11:23 AM
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But how do we know that the emotional regulation is the effect of the therapy and not the effect of not being exposed to the therapy any longer?

In which case SD should continue to distrust the process.
I think it's a little of both, in my case. As in, I needed to get out of the weirdness that my therapy became at one point, in order for the actual therapy that took place before things went bizarre, for those things to actually start gel-ing and coming to fruition.

Or something.

And, thank God I finally got out.
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Old Jun 26, 2024, 11:27 AM
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Old Jun 26, 2024, 11:55 AM
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L's on vacation. Of all the time to be on a vacation, it had to be this week. We are dealing with a major rupture, which was getting a little better. I even joked with her on Saturday that for being me and having BPD, that 2 weeks wasn't too bad a time for things to turn around. She agreed and thought it'd take me longer. Anyways, she allowed me to email and text her throughout the leave. Yesterday she sent a text saying she'd be out of service most the day, but it never went through. When she got back, it went through, and it felt like she brushed it off. She didn't apologize or be empathetic. So I sent her a text about this and other things. She responded that she was going to respond via email because it might take some processing. So to me that means no more texting, least not on those topic. She emailed me and in that email said she'd rather discuss this in real time... But for something she didn't understand, I could write as much as needed.

I don't know what to do! Respond via email to the whole email? Respond only to the part confusing her? Just stop texting and emailing, go it on my own?

I feel like ghosting her. She knows how hard everything is for me. Like I'm going through some hard s***. She agreed to emails and texts. H is beyond pissed at her. I don't know what to do with her. I wish I would have left her two weeks ago. Now I feel stuck with her.

But who am I hurting? Me or her? Should I just risk pissing her off and respond to everything?

I'm so sorry you're dealing with this, Scarlet. I feel like T's often end up on vacation at the worst possible times. And then their minds aren't in the therapy space, plus their schedule varies.

I'd say if she told you to write as much as you want, to take her at her word that it's OK to reply. I would maybe limit it to the part she didn't understand though. I hope things get better once she returns.
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Old Jun 26, 2024, 06:32 PM
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Well, everything exploded, but she wants to deal with it in real time. Basically, I feel like she's told me to **** off and deal with everything on my own. All I wanted was empathy and an apology... But because she isn't understanding me, I must suffer alone.
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Old Jun 26, 2024, 07:29 PM
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Well, everything exploded, but she wants to deal with it in real time. Basically, I feel like she's told me to **** off and deal with everything on my own. All I wanted was empathy and an apology... But because she isn't understanding me, I must suffer alone.

Hugs, Scarlet--I'm so sorry. When will you be able to meet next?
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Old Jun 26, 2024, 08:24 PM
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Hugs, Scarlet--I'm so sorry. When will you be able to meet next?
Not until Friday and it's a phone session. I've contacted her backup and she'll call me in an hour. I don't know what to expect. I've never met her. L says she'll lead with empathy, not skills. I hope so.
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Old Jun 26, 2024, 08:50 PM
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Not until Friday and it's a phone session. I've contacted her backup and she'll call me in an hour. I don't know what to expect. I've never met her. L says she'll lead with empathy, not skills. I hope so.

I hope her backup is helpful for you, Scarlet.
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Old Jun 26, 2024, 08:54 PM
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Storming here, so I stood in the front door of the airbnb and just watched the wind blowing the trees and smelled the freshness of the rain (it's been very hot here). Storms (and the ocean, though no ocean where I am right now) remind me of the power of the universe, how it's a much bigger thing that me. And can give me a couple moments of awe. Back inside now, likely going to bed soon. I'm either leaving tomorrow evening or very early Friday morning--need to figure that out. (H leaves for a trip to see family Friday morning, so I need to get back.) Virtual session with Dr. T late morning tomorrow.
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Old Jun 26, 2024, 10:00 PM
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I hope her backup is helpful for you, Scarlet.
She was okay. Nice. Affirming and validating. I guess I just don't have an established rapport with her so it wasn't as helpful as I wanted. She's letting me check in with her tomorrow. I don't know. It's probably better than a crisis line. It's hard getting support from someone who knows nothing about you or the situation.
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Old Jun 27, 2024, 05:04 AM
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I feel that, Scarlet.

Sometimes we need more than warmth.
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Old Jun 27, 2024, 05:16 AM
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She was okay. Nice. Affirming and validating. I guess I just don't have an established rapport with her so it wasn't as helpful as I wanted. She's letting me check in with her tomorrow. I don't know. It's probably better than a crisis line. It's hard getting support from someone who knows nothing about you or the situation.

I'm glad she was affirming and validating at least. And does seem better than a crisis line for sure. It's nice that she's letting you check in today, too. But I get what you mean about having trouble getting support from someone who doesn't know the background. Hope she helps some today if you talk to her again.
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Old Jun 27, 2024, 05:42 AM
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So, R is taking her usual two weeks off (end of July, beginning of August) and then we'll be virtual until the beginning of September.

I've negotiated our first in person session back for World Suicide Prevention Day, because I don't know whether I have the wherewithal to attend a service this year...or if one is planned.
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So, R is taking her usual two weeks off (end of July, beginning of August) and then we'll be virtual until the beginning of September.

I've negotiated our first in person session back for World Suicide Prevention Day, because I don't know whether I have the wherewithal to attend a service this year...or if one is planned.

Hugs, Lost. Seems like a good plan for timing of the first session back in person. Are you meeting in person until her vacation, or is it already virtual?
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Thanks, LT.

We're meeting in person until her vacation.

I am shattered, because I didn't sleep much last night.
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And now I have multiple blisters (?!) from trying to open a bottle of fizzy water.

Today, man....
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I've negotiated our first in person session back for World Suicide Prevention Day, because I don't know whether I have the wherewithal to attend a service this year...or if one is planned.
Maybe not attending is a good thing for you to do for yourself. Perhaps not being as immersed in it will be a path to letting it go as this burden (not the same as forgetting the person) so that you can focus on the future and ways to be in it that are not as weighed down by past actions by others. Just a different spin on things
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Old Jun 27, 2024, 11:21 AM
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Thanks, I see where you're coming from.
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In the middle of my virtual (because I'm away) session with Dr. T this morning, he had to turn off video and (I presume) step away twice to deal with urgent messages relating to the new office. Which was really awkward, though he was very apologetic and made up the time at the end.

Those messages led him to believe he won't be able to move next week, either (was originally supposed to be yesterday and tomorrow). Something about a complaint filed regarding his renovation of the office, I assume by another building tenant? He said they weren't even doing all that much and wasn't aware of needing a permit (which this person claimed he needed).

So...I'm probably meeting him in person at his old office Monday. Which feels a bit weird, as I've already said goodbye to it. I could always opt for virtual, but I'd rather meet in person if possible. I guess I can look at it as bonus time? And in a weird way, less pressure, as I've already done the "good-bye" thing. I might be there Wednesday, too (a session I thought was canceled due to the rescheduled move). Seems like everything will be up in the air for a bit. But I feel like I can manage that, which is more than I might have said, say, a year ago.
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I'm sorry for all the upheaval, LT.

Wouldn't it be nice if things in the therapy realm were simple, and that equipped us to deal with the things in 'real life' (a distinction R makes, that I find a little uncomfortable) that aren't so simple?

It sounds like progress that you feel equipped to manage it, though.
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I'm sorry for all the upheaval, LT.

Wouldn't it be nice if things in the therapy realm were simple, and that equipped us to deal with the things in 'real life' (a distinction R makes, that I find a little uncomfortable) that aren't so simple?

It sounds like progress that you feel equipped to manage it, though.
Thanks, Lost. Yes, it would be nice if they were simpler and predictable. A calm in the storm of outside life. But of course, they're human, too. And have their own outside lives.

I do think that some upheaval in therapy has helped me deal with it better in my outside life--I prefer that term to "real life." As "real life" kind of implies that therapy isn't "real." Certainly some of the ruptures have ultimately led me to be better at handling conflict (particularly the repair portion), though I wish some hadn't happened (the "love" one jumps out).

I'm sorry you're dealing with this upheaval, too.
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