[RedBarchetta]

P { margin-bottom: 0.08in; } This is getting ridiculous – I KNOW I have issues both psychologically, and medically, BUT nothing at all is REALLY getting solved no matter what. And to just say forget it (like I tried to do) no one will leave me alone about it. But to do things “there way” make me totally miserable because I end up with loss of privacy, breaking things that were fine before taking your drugs, or feeling like I got someone looking over my shoulder all the time – NONE of that will do period – I NEED EVERYTHING working at least as well as it did before you started (and I DO NOT play the trade game, so you CAN NOT hand me anything like “o.k. so now you are impotent, but your anxiety is nonresistant” just won't float because regardless of how well it help one problem, you cause something else that was not there before – and that is all I have to see to not want anything to do with that.
The Privacy has ALWAYS been EXTREAMELY important to me – especial when it comes to anything medical, pretty much if it goes beyond MY doctors, I WILL reject it, and same goes for if I am going to end up being watched closer if you give me something than I would be if I do not accept it – because in that case – I an going to go for the option that leave me not being watched any closer. And even going through school – the ONLY why I would take anything at school was if it was done with complete disregard for there regulations that said it had to be the school nurse giving it one – my deal was it stays with me – and I decide when to take it, and no one at the school even knows of it – as soon as they did – I discontinued use without saying anything even to the guy that prescribed it – any did not care what it was for. Secondly, unless YOU PERSONALLY are treating something – none of that is any of your business anyway, I I have carried that thinking (I' in my mid 40s now) and to this day would rather not work then allow an employer to have ANY medical info – and that includes your so called “standard” drug test – what I have in my body again totally between me and MY doctors – if an employer is going to push it that much – I just don't want to sell him ANY of my time PERIOT.
I guess I could say me caring so much about stuff like that when most people don't is a problem – but IF that is the case there is no way to get anywhere without dealing with that first – and that's a non-starter if you start by; taking away even a tiny bit of privacy, breaking anything, or making me feel like you are watching closer than before I bothered.
All that even prevents me from entering any building that dose any screening of what you have on you in any way – pat-down, x-ray, even a mettle detector is an ABSOLUTE no no – I just WILL NOT go in if you are going to do that END OF STORY. And I know it's not a big deal, lots of people do it every day – but don't you see, the whole thing with any search of any kind regardless of anything means you suspect something – that being the case – if you can not at least say why you think it's me – buzz of – that's it!
Yes there are a lot of issues, and none are really any fun, but you start that and you just aggravate the anxiety ( big part of it is over privacy issues – and in fact have had attacks over a traffic light camera – and that's why if I know one exists, I WILL avoid that intersection – and have recently started finding ways to get most places using only side roads with only signs for traffic control) – but no I did not think I'm just paranoid because I really am losing that stuff – was Osama Bin Ladden being paranoid if he said the whole wold was out to get him? - NO – Because they were!
Now I do agree that something has got to give, but so far the only options I have seen is causing medical issues where they were none, worsening others, and the darn privacy again.
And to do things “there way” STILL dose not really get what I am after a lot of times. It just so happens I have urine retention issues too – but instead of tying to make the bladder drain completely, the concentration was or holding it in, to extract with a cathitor, I cut that off because I look at that as worsting something – the point was to not need a cathitor so if you don't eliminate that, your not helping.
I also have got to have some sort of a say in that sort of a thing or I won't have anything to do with it. Right now Ebola has been a big discussion – have no clue why, I have only heard of 2 actual confirmed cases here – but that's beside the point. I have done nothing to be at any piticular risk – but still right now if I did sow any symptoms at all, I most likely would NOT say anything to anyone because now only certain hospitals are designated to treat it, ant the one I would use for anything else is not on that list, one that is I already have had problems with – and because of that, the others on that list are out because I know nothing about them, plus none of my own doctors have any privileges at them – so, again not interested in even knowing if I did have that, because if the test did come up positive, there goes a lot of choice, so – regardless of what symptoms are showing, just leave it alone.
But in any case – bottom line, I have said all this, and still no one will leave me alone, but they can't seem to tell me what I can do that dose not violate any of my criteria so............I just don't know......

[IchbinkeinTeufel]

I'm guessing you pasted this from a Word document, so it probably screwed up your formatting. xD If you can't edit it, perhaps a mod can help.

Best of luck.

[Perna]

It is impossible to get the world to do things all our way that we like, there have to be compromises in privacy and where to go/what to do. If you were to get ebola (probably not very possible now) you would not get asked and you would show the symptoms/be so sick you would not have to tell anyone, it would be completely out of your control. A lot of life is like that and it is often easier to go along with things that do not matter (traffic cameras, they are not looking at/for you but for speeders and people breaking the law). If you want to work at certain jobs or for certain companies you have to take drug tests, not to learn about you but for them and what they do not want, since it is their company. They do not personally know/care about your test unless you fail and that just means they won't hire you. I do not like drug tests either so do not interview with companies that have them. But it is all up to you and what you choose, what you want to do and who you want to interview with.

But no drug will help with getting people to "leave you alone" and there's no way to get people to do things your way; it is all a trade-off whether we like it or not so learning to choose so I get what I want rather than trying to stop what I don't want works better for me.

[RedBarchetta]

Then I actually AM better off just doing what I am doing - just stay out of everyones one, and DEMAND they stay out of mine. BECAUSE there is absolutely NO way I am going to "compromise" when it comes to any privacy at all - and fully intend to insist on holding on to ALL of it until they day I die - after that I don't care.
And as far as actually showing any obvious symptoms of anything - that's the point - that happen I avoid all doctors and hospitals like they would give me something worst. And at the first sign anyone else might have picked up on it (even if it's just suspicion) take off and hide possibly deep in some woods without letting 1 sole know exactly where I intended to go......That's it - yes I will risk even my own life in order to hang on to everything. Don't care if the other way is easier - I want that privacy, exc. AND I MEAN AT ALL COSTS!!!
None of any of that is exactly new - actually I can't remember even not feeling that way, and taking action to make sure of it. As pointed out - even in school refusing to use any medication at all while there except totally disregarding there regulation and caring it myself and no one know what it was, or what is was for. As soon as (there was a debate at the time) a court decided that schools had the right to search lockers without a warrant - mine stayed 100% empty - no books at all, not even a coat, or a single piece of black paper.
And as far as I am concerned, I already compromised just by getting any sort of state issued I.D. - the truth is I actually really do not want any part of the government to have any easy way of contacting me, I would prefer it if they really needed to get a message to me, it would take asking lots of questions, exc. just to get the address of where I live, and longer to find out when I am most likely going to be home.

Originally Posted by Perna

It is impossible to get the world to do things all our way that we like, there have to be compromises in privacy and where to go/what to do. If you were to get ebola (probably not very possible now) you would not get asked and you would show the symptoms/be so sick you would not have to tell anyone, it would be completely out of your control. A lot of life is like that and it is often easier to go along with things that do not matter (traffic cameras, they are not looking at/for you but for speeders and people breaking the law). If you want to work at certain jobs or for certain companies you have to take drug tests, not to learn about you but for them and what they do not want, since it is their company. They do not personally know/care about your test unless you fail and that just means they won't hire you. I do not like drug tests either so do not interview with companies that have them. But it is all up to you and what you choose, what you want to do and who you want to interview with.

But no drug will help with getting people to "leave you alone" and there's no way to get people to do things your way; it is all a trade-off whether we like it or not so learning to choose so I get what I want rather than trying to stop what I don't want works better for me.

[~Christina]

Originally Posted by RedBarchetta

Then I actually AM better off just doing what I am doing - just stay out of everyones one, and DEMAND they stay out of mine. BECAUSE there is absolutely NO way I am going to "compromise" when it comes to any privacy at all - and fully intend to insist on holding on to ALL of it until they day I die - after that I don't care.
And as far as actually showing any obvious symptoms of anything - that's the point - that happen I avoid all doctors and hospitals like they would give me something worst. And at the first sign anyone else might have picked up on it (even if it's just suspicion) take off and hide possibly deep in some woods without letting 1 sole know exactly where I intended to go......That's it - yes I will risk even my own life in order to hang on to everything. Don't care if the other way is easier - I want that privacy, exc. AND I MEAN AT ALL COSTS!!!
None of any of that is exactly new - actually I can't remember even not feeling that way, and taking action to make sure of it. As pointed out - even in school refusing to use any medication at all while there except totally disregarding there regulation and caring it myself and no one know what it was, or what is was for. As soon as (there was a debate at the time) a court decided that schools had the right to search lockers without a warrant - mine stayed 100% empty - no books at all, not even a coat, or a single piece of black paper.
And as far as I am concerned, I already compromised just by getting any sort of state issued I.D. - the truth is I actually really do not want any part of the government to have any easy way of contacting me, I would prefer it if they really needed to get a message to me, it would take asking lots of questions, exc. just to get the address of where I live, and longer to find out when I am most likely going to be home.

I see that you have deep deep reasons for demanding your privacy and that's your right of course.. But certainly you see that your can't control it all , it would be impossible. Unless you wanted to live completely "off the grid" Until you can or would do that, people are going to be part of your life in some shape or another. Even using a computer leaves a trail of bread crumbs someone could follow. I have goggled my full name and it was a bit shocking to see just what I was able to learn about "myself"

I hope you find a way to keep your privacy and obtain services you may need.

[RedBarchetta]

Yes, of course I am well aware of "digital fingerprints" - the fact that everything is being digitized that way makes privacy even less and why be careful even what you put on any paper, because it IS going to end up in some data base - a BIG problem. Internet tracking that's why almost everything goes through an anonymous proxy (typically more than one) I clear all cashe, history, and cookie files at least 2 times a day, and run a wipe disk (to totally over-write and deleted data) with 8 passes (I beleave that is more than the U.S. millitary uses on hard drives that they are getting rid of)
Basic bottom line if you don't hvae are specific reason that makes logical sense to me, basically you ARE NOT getting any thing - at least not easilly - and if you push and get it - I am going to do everything I can to ensure once you have it after all that work, it's already out dated.
Yes obviously doctors need as much medical info as they can get - so that's fine for ones actually doing the treating, it dose NOT extended to insurece companey doctors whom I have never even said hello to - or courts under any conditions (I will give there a LITTLE here - if the ored was to get some sort of treatment, they can know weather or not a doctor was seen, but nothing beyond the appointment was made and kept - no Dx, no advised medication, list, no details at all - and if it's for a specific test, fine I'll o.k. it IF YOUR DOCTOR gets the results, and I'll go with the can relieve the test was taken, but yet again, NOT what the results were. So that would be my "compromise" there, and the only one I would be willing to make, otherwise I wouldn't have any issue at all telling the judge on record that he had better come up with something else that is not going to give them any detailed info or my time and his is being wasted - because I will treat THAT order like it was toilet paper - actually less.
And off-the-grid isn't really good enough as far as privatecy either. (altough I have been wanting to do that too for some time - but more because I don't want to pay for something I could get free with the right equipment) they still want to inspect your equipment (so there unless done without a permit in totally secreratecy - some government worker will be around - for that reason I never get a permit for anything, but that would be such a large project it is unhidible, and unlike the rest of the stuff where they may hear construction noise, can't prove nothing because it's inside, and they have no right to come inside, that would be too obvious. Also if you use the grid-tie (typically to sell any power you produce but don't use your-self back to the utility Co. you are right back in there sites, only they are sending you a check.
And as long as I can remember, all I ever kept hearing about is Health and Wealth (and maybe for a short time some political pause) being peoples priority - but I have ALWAYS figured without the privatecy non of that mean much. And a lot of times there is no logic or flawed logic behind things anyway... Like that nurse coming from an Ebola infested area - o.k. fine, you saw a vage symptom, but a test was done TWICE that showed it's not there - so that should have been the end of it - PERIOD! - I regardless of anything - I feel sh was 150% correct and complaining to NJ, and ignoring Maine order - REGARDLESS of anything if you don't show it in your blood, science says you can not give it to anyone, and at it's worst it's body fluids and you have to be pretty close to it. So - Flawed logic anyway, therefore they guy that made it up is an idiot.
But I have always managed somehow - not necessarily within the law - but the method basically doesn't matter (will I do care if someone else gets hurt in the process, but not if it's a legal way or not) just get it done.

Originally Posted by ~Christina

I see that you have deep deep reasons for demanding your privacy and that's your right of course.. But certainly you see that your can't control it all , it would be impossible. Unless you wanted to live completely "off the grid" Until you can or would do that, people are going to be part of your life in some shape or another. Even using a computer leaves a trail of bread crumbs someone could follow. I have goggled my full name and it was a bit shocking to see just what I was able to learn about "myself"

I hope you find a way to keep your privacy and obtain services you may need.

[hamster-bamster]

I am sorry - my eyes really cannot read unformatted text. I cannot help it. But I see that you wrote about privacy a lot. And then I noticed your location and got curious, since I did not know the name of your town, even though I have been to NJ, so my guess was that the town was small. I looked it up in Wikipedia and am pasting from there:

"Moonachie is a borough in Bergen County, New Jersey, in the Hackensack River watershed. As of the 2010 United States Census, the borough's population was 2,708, reflecting a decline of 46 from the 2,754 "

So you are basically living in a village with an unusual, catchy, easily identifiable name.

Why did you choose to tell us the name of the borough (township)? Why did you not just put "NJ" or even "East Coast"? You have full control over the information you post on here, and it was your choice to disclose far more than was reasonable. So it seems to me that you make choices to divulge private data without any need to do so, and yet you DEMAND privacy from others? How about focusing on being cautious about your web disclosures instead?

I cannot believe that it was simply a slip, either - it takes effort to type up the name of your township, as it is long and unusual. So there was a choice that you made, intentionally.

As my post count shows, I have read enough messages on this site (obviously, most posts are in response to another post), and, I am detail-oriented to a fault; that means that I notice people's locations - I cannot help noticing such info.

So I can tell you with confidence that it is extremely unusual for a user on this forum to disclose location information with that level of precision. Extremely unusual.

What this tells me that on the one hand, you choose not to take reasonable precautions that pretty much everybody else is taking, and yet, claim your privacy in settings in which other people make compromises. This is sort of backwards - it should be the other way around. Don't you think so?

I would be more than happy to read in detail if you can format the text.

Let me point out to you that nobody on your thread discloses this much about location.

Perna: state only
Christina: state only
me: part of the state
Zwangsstörung: country

And, this level of precision is appropriate: since UK is relatively small, Zwangsstörung puts UK and not a town in it. US states are big enough, so Perna and Christina put their states. California has a huge population, so I put one of the two major parts of the state. (everybody, I hope you do not mind my analyzing your choices)

I think it might be helpful for you to review your reasoning when you signed up as a member of this site and chose to disclose your location, and from there, analyze whether that choice was rational. If it was not rational, what was behind the error in judgment? Were you in a vulnerable emotional state at that time? Were you, subconsciously perhaps, trying to connect with people on the forum and for that reason revealed almost an intimate detail about yourself? What was going on? Hopefully the insight can guide you in figuring out why you feel and think the way you do.