[joshuas-mommy]

I don't understand why the community mental health center took my son away from me to put in him in the hands of a father who abuses children. My son's father had aggravated assault against a 7 year old child and the community center said he was very charming. I once yelled at the mental health workers and said that my son's dad was abusive and they didn't care. They said I yelled at them so men who commit aggravated child abuse should get kids.

[healingme4me]

Is child protective services involved with monitoring a person convicted of aggrevated assault on a minor? Did he serve jail time or anger management or spend time on parole? I'm uncertain why you lost your custody battle. I'm uncertain why raising your voice to them caused that result.

[Mygrandjourney]

Originally Posted by joshuas-mommy

I don't understand why the community mental health center took my son away from me to put in him in the hands of a father who abuses children. My son's father had aggravated assault against a 7 year old child and the community center said he was very charming. I once yelled at the mental health workers and said that my son's dad was abusive and they didn't care. They said I yelled at them so men who commit aggravated child abuse should get kids.

Did they tell you why the kids were taken? They should at least give you that.

[joshuas-mommy]

Originally Posted by healingme4me

Is child protective services involved with monitoring a person convicted of aggrevated assault on a minor? Did he serve jail time or anger management or spend time on parole? I'm uncertain why you lost your custody battle. I'm uncertain why raising your voice to them caused that result.

CPS isn't involved with monitoring him because he hired an attorney to represent him. He didn't serve jail time or anger management. He had an attorney get him off because the child didn't want to testify.

[healingme4me]

The DA didn't press charges? Were the police present? How bad were the injuries? That sounds unjust to hear about it...

[joshuas-mommy]

Originally Posted by healingme4me

The DA didn't press charges? Were the police present? How bad were the injuries? That sounds unjust to hear about it...

The DA pressed charges and my son's dad was indicted for aggravated assault. When it came time for the victim to testify, the victim didn't answer the subpoenas because he didn't want to testify. So, my defense attorney moved to have the case dismissed because the perpetrator has the legal right to face the victim. The police investigated the incident and found evidence to press charges. I am not sure how bad the injuries were, but I know it happens. My son's half brother told me about it.

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[healingme4me]

Sounds like the ball was dropped somewhere along, the way. Having a DA press charges and no follow up by child services is just bizarre. Unfamiliar with a child so young being forced to testify before their abuser. Sounds tragic. How is he now?

[joshuas-mommy]

Originally Posted by healingme4me

Sounds like the ball was dropped somewhere along, the way. Having a DA press charges and no follow up by child services is just bizarre. Unfamiliar with a child so young being forced to testify before their abuser. Sounds tragic. How is he now?

I don't know. The child and his father moved to Mexico.

[dancinglady]

I can only tell you that since you have a documented mental illness that is the only reason they need to take a child away from a parent. If your ex has no documented mental illness he gains custody. This happens all the time. The system does not want us to raise children. Since his father was not convicted he has a clean slate you don't.

[joshuas-mommy]

Originally Posted by dancinglady

I can only tell you that since you have a documented mental illness that is the only reason they need to take a child away from a parent. If your ex has no documented mental illness he gains custody. This happens all the time. The system does not want us to raise children. Since his father was not convicted he has a clean slate you don't.

The father has mental illness. He has anger and aggression problems. But, I can't fight for my son because I have no rights. I need to establish my rights so I can fight for my son. Furthermore, he didn't even get his mental health evaluation like he was suppose to.

[dancinglady]

Has his MI been documented. Do you have knowledge of doctors he has seen? You will have to prove that you are a fit mother with the department standards that took him away. These standards may be very different than yours. Just be careful if they rule that neither one of you are fit your child will be placed in foster care with not a lot of hope that either of you will get visitation. Just BE VERY CAREFUL. Even an attorney you hire to represent you will still be mainly focused on your child's best interest. Your child will come FIRST.

[amandalouise]

joshuas mommy...I know it hurts that your child isnt with you. maybe reading some of your past posts will help you to answer why they may have given the father custody...some of your past posts had some of us here on psych central worried about your's and your son's health and safety due to some of the things you were posting.

sometimes a parent with an abusive past can gain /regain custody of their child if the courts and treatment providers feel they have complied with all that they were asked to do (it may be that the father completed doing some work / what ever work was asked of him, that you were not given that information because of confidentiality rules. the father does not have to tell the childs parent whether they went to therapy, parenting classes and other things that need to be done. social services and mental health are prevented by law from sharing that information with the other parent unless the one gaining custody signs a release form)

bottom line is most likely the court and mental health found the father to be stable and complying with all that was required.

thats not saying you can never have custody back because you can,it just takes getting healthy and stable, taking meds as prescribed.

my suggestion is work with your treatment providers, take your meds and comply what they want you to do, then you can go back to court and get your child back when mental health says you are not having any more problems from your mental disorder and that its safe for your child to be in your care.

[joshuas-mommy]

I don't want to get my child back. I just want to know why the community mental health center fabricated events to make me lose custody.

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by joshuas-mommy

I don't want to get my child back. I just want to know why the community mental health center fabricated events to make me lose custody.

Im taking a guess here that maybe they dont see those events as fabricated, even though you may see it that way. sometimes having mental disorders can tell us that treatment providers are against us, that treatment providers are making things up, when in actuality our perceiving this happening can be because of many different things like med problems, not taking meds as prescribed, the wrong medications, the nature of the nature of the mental disorder, how the brain latches on to negative elements of a situation and can twist it around,...gosh there are many different reasons why I have at times perceived my treatment providers as wrong, fabricating, and out to get me. sometimes it even is because of having psychosis, psychotic , delusional thoughts.

in general though i know that treatment providers do not fabricate events. they have to document all conversations/sessions with a client. that means they write down what the client says, does, believes, and whether that is part of their delusions\hallucinations\psychosis\mental disorders, whether they are taking their meds as prescribed and other documentations.

thats a good thing because if you really want to know what is going on you can. all you need to do is request a copy of your files. by USA mental health laws if you put the request in writing they must allow you to see your files and have them explained to you, in words that you can understand.

my suggestion set up an appointment and discuss these events with the treatment providers, have them explain to you how and why they are saying what ever they are about these events. you can also have another person present per American Disabilities Act, that you trust, that can ensure nothing strange is going on, that can verify what the treatment providers are saying and have wrote in your files.

based on your past posts Im taking a guess that you may have (just a guess not a diagnosis) recently been in what my treatment providers call psychosis, delusions (believing treatment providers have fabricated, and out to get me) when this has happened to me.

your treatment providers can tell you for sure / give you an actual diagnosis of whether you were having mental problems like this and what they were and if it led to the removal of your child.

[dancinglady]

Do they know your wishes? If they do they did what was necessary to remove your parental rights so your child can eventually be adopted. They probably have a bigger plan for your child's future. They are just doing a bunch of formalities and this is just part of it.

[joshuas-mommy]

Originally Posted by dancinglady

Do they know your wishes? If they do they did what was necessary to remove your parental rights so your child can eventually be adopted. They probably have a bigger plan for your child's future. They are just doing a bunch of formalities and this is just part of it.

My son is not going to be adopted by anyone.

[joshuas-mommy]

Originally Posted by amandalouise

joshuas mommy...I know it hurts that your child isnt with you. maybe reading some of your past posts will help you to answer why they may have given the father custody...some of your past posts had some of us here on psych central worried about your's and your son's health and safety due to some of the things you were posting.

sometimes a parent with an abusive past can gain /regain custody of their child if the courts and treatment providers feel they have complied with all that they were asked to do (it may be that the father completed doing some work / what ever work was asked of him, that you were not given that information because of confidentiality rules. the father does not have to tell the childs parent whether they went to therapy, parenting classes and other things that need to be done. social services and mental health are prevented by law from sharing that information with the other parent unless the one gaining custody signs a release form)

bottom line is most likely the court and mental health found the father to be stable and complying with all that was required.

thats not saying you can never have custody back because you can,it just takes getting healthy and stable, taking meds as prescribed.

my suggestion is work with your treatment providers, take your meds and comply what they want you to do, then you can go back to court and get your child back when mental health says you are not having any more problems from your mental disorder and that its safe for your child to be in your care.

They didn't even look at the father. All that happened was the community mental health center said I shouldn't be allowed to see my son and the family court said I wouldn't be able to because the mental health workers said so.

[dancinglady]

I know this is extremely hard for you. The mental health workers' first responsibility is look out for what they believe is in your son's best interest. It is totally sad that your history shows that there was no one there for you as a child. I am so sorry you were not protected. From your opinion your ex is not in your sons best interest but they must believe he is. You can't change anyone but yourself. Trying to concentrate on him or the mental health workers is not in your best interest. Try as hard as it is stay focus on you and your recovery and happiness.

[iwonderaboutstuff]

Do I understand this right... you son's father sued for full legal and/or physical custody and the Court gave it to him, based on a court ordered evaluation done at a mental health center? Do you get to see your son / have visitation rights? How old is your son? How does his dad treat him?

[joshuas-mommy]

Originally Posted by iwonderaboutstuff

Do I understand this right... you son's father sued for full legal and/or physical custody and the Court gave it to him, based on a court ordered evaluation done at a mental health center? Do you get to see your son / have visitation rights? How old is your son? How does his dad treat him?

Yes, my son's dad sued for physical and legal custody and the court gave it to him based off of the fact that the mental health center said that I had schizophrenia. I have no visitation rights. My son is 9. The dad yells all the time because the dad has a low anger threshold. There were no mental health evaluations conducted during any family court decisions. The mental health workers said I wasn't capable of caring for a child due to my schizophrenia.

[iwonderaboutstuff]

Originally Posted by joshuas-mommy

Yes, my son's dad sued for physical and legal custody and the court gave it to him based off of the fact that the mental health center said that I had schizophrenia. I have no visitation rights. My son is 9. The dad yells all the time because the dad has a low anger threshold. There were no mental health evaluations conducted during any family court decisions. The mental health workers said I wasn't capable of caring for a child due to my schizophrenia.

Have you been diagnosed as schizophrenic? and under treatment for it?

[divine1966]

I am sorry. Maybe you can petition for supervised visitations? They should grant you those.

As about custody I do not know. Some things you posted on PC got me worried like believing people come to your house and cut you with knives.

How do you know how your ex treats your son if you don't see him?

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[joshuas-mommy]

Originally Posted by divine1966

I am sorry. Maybe you can petition for supervised visitations? They should grant you those.

As about custody I do not know. Some things you posted on PC got me worried like believing people come to your house and cut you with knives.

How do you know how your ex treats your son if you don't see him?

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I can hear my son's dad yelling on the phone when I am on the phone with my son.

[divine1966]

Originally Posted by joshuas-mommy

I can hear my son's dad yelling on the phone when I am on the phone with my son.

If you are allowed phone conversation could u be allowed to visit? With supervision?

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[joshuas-mommy]

Originally Posted by iwonderaboutstuff

Have you been diagnosed as schizophrenic? and under treatment for it?

My son's dad petitioned for primary custody with me having visitation rights. Then, I told his attorney that I had schizophrenia. So, his attorney called my mental health providers and they said that I should not be permitted to see my son.