Non-Religious Spirituality and Mental Health

[quote]i'm very used to being attacked for my views. Don't worry about it. i do find a lot of the personal attack difficult to deal with at times, on-line, & in my life - But that's how it is, & the way of this World. [/quote

To Apotheosis: It's only a personal attack if you take it personally. In reality, another person's behavior is a reflection on them; not on you. Incidentally, the reason I attacked you was because I took you personally. I should have not taken you personally. I should have let it go or confronted you in a respectful manner (Nothing more needs to be said



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You're fine Indie. I know I've lost sleep in thinking about some of these thngs and I don't consider that an illness, but, it's an indication of how much we care.

To Al: I beg to differ. Mania is a real disorder.




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Well, a lot of people find what i say challenging & seem to take it personally, & i've had to tone down a lot of what i say (for various reasons, on & off line) - & it does have a direct impact on me personally as to how i conduct myself, & as to how i feel - to have a lot of personal attack, blame, false accusations (straw man & ad hominem) & all the rest consistently directed at you is going to effect anyone.

With all due respect: That is your problem. It is dysfunctional to allow others to impact you in such a manner.
We have no control over others and what they say or do, but we do have control over how we react to them and how they affect us.

It's not what you say that is challenging. It is you yourself that is challenging.
You do not have to defend yourself.
You do not have to prove anything to anybody but yourself.

We have to identify and correct our own dysfunctionalism.
That is what practicing spirituality is all about.
Our interactions with each other reveal our dysfunctionalism in the form of suffering, conflict and strife.
The problem is that many people can only see and focus on other's disfunctionalism instead of their own.
They blame others for their problems.

They foolishly try to change others, not realizing that they cannot change others; they can only change themselves.

(This is not directed at any personality. I am talking about principles)

Basically everybody on the planet has the disorder called: H.U.T.A.
(head up their backside)

We have to remove our own heads from the darkness and see the light

Though we can help others (to a point) ; ultimately it is our own responsibility to perform said extraction.

p.s. please don't hate me because I'm beautiful and brilliant.






p.p.s. I am talking to everybody in a tongue and cheek manner.


I make no apologies for being who I am.

i can understand what you are saying & see where you are coming from in a general sense. & to a point i agree. It is my responsibility to deal with my own stuff. One of my main practises is letting go of all blame & forgiveness. It's hard to separate out what is my part from that of others - especially within dysfunctional dynamics & with all the blame, & this being a blame culture.

To come from a dysfunctional family/background - to have suffered with dual diagnosis - addiction & schizophrenia - to live in the society as it is - How much is that my direct fault/responsibility? i suppose you could say i chose it all on a spiritual/pre life/soul plan/karmic level - But Not being responsible for the actions of others, only my reactions, doesn't mean i'm Not effected by it all - abandoned by my alcoholic father, treated badly by an arshole step dad, severe episodes of psychosis etc - it's hardly all my fault is it?

Speaking my mind on forums & when i do, often a lot of extreme reactions from others, attack & blame, it all being edited out & bans - that isn't my fault either.

Saying it's me that is the problem - it just reeks of blame. It's part of the problem that i have with a lot of religion & spiritual areas - there is often a lot of blaming & shaming that goes on with it all.

& all this talk of love - who is genuinely & deeply loving? Many profess to it - very few are.

I blame nobody for Noth'n Honey and I sure as heck do not want to be yours or anybodies therapist.
I can be a friend

I am off to what I affectionately call "3-D Reality"

TaTa For now!

i've Not asked you to be my therapist & tbh you sound severely unbalanced & severely mentally ill.

It was a thread about non-religious spirituality which again turned into an outburst (from you) - it's Not my issues/stuff - it's yours.

Hang in there guys, I have to go to work, I'll be back to comment later. Hugs for everyone.

Here is how this is going to work.
This is one of those occasions where this applies...

We must love some people from afar Sometimes for whatever reason, somebody we know vexes our soul.
If we determine that the differences are irreconcilable, it is best to simply separate yourself, and wish them well.

Apotheosi, I am not going to reference you or reply to you on this site for a year starting now
I will do my best to avoid you on this site and I wish you well.

Again I ask that nobody get involved with my differences with anyone.

Y'all just let this go and Carry On...

Could you please PM me Apotheoisis? Either you have your PM box turned off, or, I can't understand how to send you one.

To come from a dysfunctional family/background - to have suffered with dual diagnosis - addiction & schizophrenia - to live in the society as it is - How much is that my direct fault/responsibility? i suppose you could say i chose it all on a spiritual/pre life/soul plan/karmic level - But Not being responsible for the actions of others, only my reactions, doesn't mean i'm Not effected by it all - abandoned by my alcoholic father, treated badly by an arshole step dad, severe episodes of psychosis etc - it's hardly all my fault is it?

Speaking my mind on forums & when i do, often a lot of extreme reactions from others, attack & blame, it all being edited out & bans - that isn't my fault either.

I am sending you lots of hugs tonight Apotheosis. I understand very well what you are saying and it doesn't sound like taking a victims role at all to me. I hear you claiming what is yours. I hear you finding cause and not assigning guilt. You've come a long way in processing the events of your past and you deserve to be commended, not condemned.

About speaking out in forums, and this is not directed at you, but, it's something I would appreciate if we all could keep it in mind on this thread:

To the degree that I harm another, in thought, word, or action, is the degree that I harm myself.

Thank you.

P.S. I don't buy into that pre soul lifeplan line personally. We inherited this planet.

Thank you Alchemy, that is much appreciated. i have tried & continue to try my best to heal & live as well as i can.

i don't know? i've read a lot on the past life/inter life research/material - i've had long conversations with spiritual healers. i feel there is some kind of karmic/pre life/soul plan stuff going on.

i don't have answers - i get confused by a lot of stuff. A lot points to this being a spiritually dark, backward & un-evolved planet - i don't know why i'm here, nor what i'm really meant to be doing. i can't change this society/system, & i can't fight it all any more.

My life as it currently is - i accept the diagnosis, that i'm not well, take the pills & plod on as best that i can.

Thank you Alchemy, that is much appreciated. i have tried & continue to try my best to heal & live as well as i can.

I understand that. Just getting through each day can be a struggle at times. I've been coping with my condition for 3/4ths of my life so far. Things have gotten better. Much Better.

I think that not everyone falls the same distance when they fall. I think there's a relative number of factors involved that determine how our fall will affect us. I think it's true that some people never fall. I think it's true that falling down and getting back up builds strength and character.

In many ways I look at the fall as the loss of innocence. It happens when we become aware that what we believed, that the world is safe and loving, is not entirely true. I think how sensitive we are plays into how we react to this awareness. I think how others react to our reaction, is also a factor.

I think we can learn to sort things out, but we need a lot of patience and love, with ourselves, and with others.

I didn't intend to offend in stating my belief about karmic/pre life/soul plan. The truth is, I don't know either. I think what I'm saying is that, for myself, I've needed to find solid ground that I could stand on first. Beginning to practice love, really practice it, in my own life, was, has been, and continues to be a big step for me. But, practicing it has brought to myself the foundation I've needed. I haven't read a lot about it, but, I think the Natural Law of Attraction applies here.

I will say, at times, I've felt as if there is an oversoul sort of body out there. At times, key insights appear in my mind without solicitation. How do they get there? Synchronicity is another interesting matter.

The world can seem very dark and upside down, and, in many ways, it is in my opinion. But, that's focusing only on what's wrong. There are many things that are right.

At this point, it seems as though this thread has devolved somewhat. This is something that would be excellent to discuss within your social group.

For that reason, this thread is now being closed.