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Old Jan 05, 2020, 10:44 AM
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For me, what doesn't work with this concept is that it makes one responsible for absolutely everything that happens to them, negative or positive. So I am therefore responsible for attracting several toxic work environments and toxic bosses simply, why? Because I am toxic myself? Unhealthy myself? And therefore, it's my own negative energy that attracted all these terrible situations to myself? How can one even function in life by going along with this belief system? SO many people struggle with negative thoughts and with negativity in this world. For many, it's a daily and constant struggle and battle. So that means that we're only going to attract more negative things, people and circumstances into our lives if we battle negative thinking? I don't know. I just don't like this belief system. It makes me scared and fearful of my very own thoughts, and I don't like that one bit.
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Old Jan 05, 2020, 11:39 AM
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For me, what doesn't work with this concept is that it makes one responsible for absolutely everything that happens to them, negative or positive.
I don't think it does say that. After all it is "attraction" there may be people who suggest it can happen with a snap of the fingers but clearly it takes sustained effort. A stay single thought will not do it.

I would suggest going a bit deeper into it. Some of the books like "the secret' are meant to be broad stroke brushes. But when you really get into it it is much more complex and trippy.

Though I am done with it... I still feel like on some level it is right. The problem is at the moment I haven't heard anyone who does have a good handle on it.
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Old Jan 05, 2020, 02:02 PM
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Yeah, I've heard the same. No one I've seen has a good handle on it. Nonetheless, it's not for me. I don't believe in it and I don't adhere to it.
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Old Jan 05, 2020, 03:36 PM
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For me, what doesn't work with this concept is that it makes one responsible for absolutely everything that happens to them, negative or positive. So I am therefore responsible for attracting several toxic work environments and toxic bosses simply, why? Because I am toxic myself? Unhealthy myself? And therefore, it's my own negative energy that attracted all these terrible situations to myself? How can one even function in life by going along with this belief system? SO many people struggle with negative thoughts and with negativity in this world. For many, it's a daily and constant struggle and battle. So that means that we're only going to attract more negative things, people and circumstances into our lives if we battle negative thinking? I don't know. I just don't like this belief system. It makes me scared and fearful of my very own thoughts, and I don't like that one bit.
I struggle with this concept too. Some people find the idea that they are "responsible" empowering. But I just freak out. I'm not talking about taking personal responsibiluty for my life and behaviors. I do that well. Thoughts seem different to me.

That being said, there are a couple LOA podcasts I follow. One is "Unf*ck your brain". The other is "love your life + law of attraction" with Jennifer Bailey. I listen for fun. Both are on Spotify, and other platforms as well.

I do find my own self, rather parted about LOA. When I first posted in this thread, I was like, no its probably not real. Now, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Maybe it isn't the only law or important thing in life if it is true. Learning to cope with our troubles and problems, is truly helpful too.

And...yes I have issues with some of the LOA. Like other religions and spiritual things, we cannot know if it works for real, unless...it WORKS FOR US. Just do what works for you, I say.

One thing I notice, is a lot of LOA info out there, to get maximum benefit and help and clarity on things, coaches are available. But it seems rather unfair to those who don't have the finances for coaching, and may possibly need it most!

@Emily Fox Seaton tagging you bc of the podcasts I mentioned. You may be interested.
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Old Feb 21, 2020, 04:47 PM
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I didn't really like it. I think it turned me back.

The thing is, I came to the LOA because I have noticed too much that suggests it in my life and when I read about history. But what is turning me off of it is that it seems that there are a lot of posers involved and until someone gets rid of them the science itself isn't going to evolve.

I would like someone to do a deep dive into the things that you can trace in history. For example, Henry VII was someone not likely to be the King of England but his mom always believed and got him to believe it, and it happened, and it was unlikely.

I would like someone to do a deep dive into studies on psychic phenomena and see if there is any evidence that our mind can influence the world and list those studies and their results. I happen to know there are such studies but most LOA authors are too lazy to do research.

I do believe that we have much great control over our lives then what current society wants to make us believe so that jives with me but I don't want to have to have a gratitude journal or rock to do so.

I feel like the thing I most learned out of it is one word: believe.

Even in my own life I think I have to give that the most credit. When I went to school I maybe didn't on a conscious level think I would make it, but in my gut not only did I believe, I think I knew that I just wouldn't allow myself not to make it and that belief made it so I did things that perhaps I wouldn't have done if I didn't have such a strong belief that it would happen.
if you know why do you need someone to do research?. Not a smart comment
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Old Feb 21, 2020, 04:52 PM
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I struggle with this concept too. Some people find the idea that they are "responsible" empowering. But I just freak out. I'm not talking about taking personal responsibiluty for my life and behaviors. I do that well. Thoughts seem different to me.

That being said, there are a couple LOA podcasts I follow. One is "Unf*ck your brain". The other is "love your life + law of attraction" with Jennifer Bailey. I listen for fun. Both are on Spotify, and other platforms as well.

I do find my own self, rather parted about LOA. When I first posted in this thread, I was like, no its probably not real. Now, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Maybe it isn't the only law or important thing in life if it is true. Learning to cope with our troubles and problems, is truly helpful too.

And...yes I have issues with some of the LOA. Like other religions and spiritual things, we cannot know if it works for real, unless...it WORKS FOR US. Just do what works for you, I say.

One thing I notice, is a lot of LOA info out there, to get maximum benefit and help and clarity on things, coaches are available. But it seems rather unfair to those who don't have the finances for coaching, and may possibly need it most!

@Emily Fox Seaton tagging you bc of the podcasts I mentioned. You may be interested.

if it works why do the coaches have to charge or sell books?
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Old Feb 22, 2020, 10:08 AM
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The problem with these watered down metaphysics like the LOA is that people are given to believe there is no effort results. This is nonsense. If you want to become good at manifesting you have to work hard at it. Most people will work at it for a short time and then give up saying it does not work. And LOA as presented does not. No would woul expect to be adept at a profession without effort or overnight but self help books are peddled as easy.

People have all sorts of blockages in them which are deeper that they things they think they desire. Their true will will come true. Frequently people say they want something but this is contrary to deeper desires they have. First they have to deal with the blockage but they do not want to do that as they are too impatient. Forget anything that says you can have success with no effort that things will just come to you. We live in a physical world so material things have to come through a physical channel. If you want money and do not make any effort to educate and train yourself and take advantage of opportunities then you will block any abundance. It has to flow through some channells. Forget the coaches. If they knew how to make money through LOA why do they have to sell books? There is no succcess without hard work in metaphysics or any other area. An adept magician told me magic is " bloody hard work".

I am reminded of the story of priest and two men in a leaking boat. One said "will I pray father." The priest said "do - but keep rowing"
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Old Feb 22, 2020, 10:51 AM
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The problem with these watered down metaphysics like the LOA is that people are given to believe there is no effort results. This is nonsense. If you want to become good at manifesting you have to work hard at it. Most people will work at it for a short time and then give up saying it does not work.
I think the LOA right now, is not capable of being used correctly or effectively.

We have the people who don't want to accept it because it means they have personal responsibility.

We have people who don't want to accept it because they think it is bunk.

We have scam artists trying to make a living off knowing something about it.

We have people who want to accept it so they don't have to anything.

We have people who want to accept it because their lives are so poor they use this to feel better.

Some day, I hope... humanity gets serious about this and other "out of the box" concerns. But I feel I won't live to see that day.

Until that time I will have it in the back of my head and use it to the best of my ability but I just do not have time for another thing to "work" at.
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Old Feb 22, 2020, 11:37 AM
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I think the LOA right now, is not capable of being used correctly or effectively.

We have the people who don't want to accept it because it means they have personal responsibility.

We have people who don't want to accept it because they think it is bunk.

We have scam artists trying to make a living off knowing something about it.

We have people who want to accept it so they don't have to anything.

We have people who want to accept it because their lives are so poor they use this to feel better.

Some day, I hope... humanity gets serious about this and other "out of the box" concerns. But I feel I won't live to see that day.

Until that time I will have it in the back of my head and use it to the best of my ability but I just do not have time for another thing to "work" at.

I think the people selling it are scammers who over simplify it for profit. I also do not believe everyone is reponsible for everything in their lives. Are starving children responsible for being hungry?
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