[holder_of_the_dove]

Is there more behind the eyes of a fallen angel?....there is so much unknown , mysterious, and hidden from the world of man .....Some of the most advanced ancient civilizations have predicted the end of our world...most predict in the year 2012...but only when the days of the end come will we know for sure..i believe there will be an event...a bottlenecking of mankind...as there has been in the past, the majority of mankind wiped out and a few make it through unimaginable circumstance...our ancestors have been aware of our fight with destiny for hundreds of thousands of years...long before our current system of archiologist can predict or should be said as ASSUME...we are an ancient race..and this is here to discuss...i have no evidence than what I have read from rebel archiologist who are being surpressed and their voices snuffed out....remember common thought is flawed thought...for through out history we as mankind have been dramatically wrong...and i guarantee you that most of those who broke the mold on clutched beliefs were mentally ill....we are ostricized in this society...society of perfection that is as unperfect and flawed as we by human nature are...the end of days will not be an end...but simply the beginning of a cycle of life a new......i have many theories and i hope to share them with others..keep in mind i am not trying to offend ANYONE...you come to this thread of your own free will....we all deserve a place to be heard...so come and bring your radical ideas or odd thoughts...we are after all the prophets of tomorrow surpressed by the society of now......take care...and please share politely....-peace to all-

[holder_of_the_dove]

Dream suspicious strangers....What is real? Do we create reality, potentially we are the manifestation of our beings, our mind creates our reality. What we believe drives the collective conscience of the world. A second degree or humanity in which we all experience life as one is evident but there are higher levels of being in which modern society has achieved, and yet there are others yet to be achieved. I believe schizophrenia to be the beginning of a child's step into the unknown, like an infant learning to walk. And the walk is to foundation, the walk is to enlightenment. Many of us schizophrenics have been marginalized and casted out, as well as thought of as WRONG, BROKEN, or without sense, this is wrong people, so very wrong. And when society tells us we are not normal, we neglect the part of us that is utterly inspiring. I don't just believe, but in my heart of hearts, KNOW that the greatest minds were indeed schizophrenic, or manic bipolar. Never doubt your unique and vibrant colors. Let loose the flood of the next step of conscienceless. Be the flame in the dark, trust...soften this old armor.

[Grithnir]

The higher powers create the design that we walk in. It is about how well we can connect to the forces from up above that matter and sometimes that means the use of certain drugs that create the connection. All of what God designed in His power, and it won't be confused with Satan and his angels. They chose poorly. I am in a battle as we speak, for the rights of everyone. Let them do as they please. I am Frodo Baggins and I am on a mission. Sam is with me still and we have fought for everything.

[holder_of_the_dove]

He had a lot to say, he had a lot of nothing to say, we'll miss him....Higher power, most religions in this world believe in a higher power...the ones I am most interested in give us insight into the unknown yet let us know, we are the masters of our universe, we all will ascend and transcend time and space. This can also be achieved in our states of consciousness as well as subconscious.

True burden is of that which others carry for us without our knowledge.

[BNLsMOM]

I suppose the thread I just posted in bipolar sort of fits in here. Here is the link:

http://forums.psychcentral.com/showthread.php?t=148843

[sweetmadness]

I have certain "schizophrenic" ideologies, or sometimes they are just too abstract for the norm, I think schizophrenics tend to think more abstractly. Humans are naturally abstract pattern making beings, but they take it up a notch. I've had a few experiences that made no sense, and there will be more to come I hope. I don't like everything being structured and making sense...that's my personal viewpoint, we shouldn't be tied to a one-world reality. I believe that I've encountered some strange things, seeing shifts of energy or movements of images that don't match up with the natural state.

Imagine that you see an object in the real world-view as stationary, and that a person with schizophrenia can see layers upon layers upon layers of that object. That's how it feels. I see layers of reality, but sometimes I don't. It's not all the time, it's a learned and evolved skill. There are also some frightening projections I experience, that seem more like unverified personal gnosis or the memory playing a game with itself in my head.

Ex. recording your voice on the computer, then hearing that very recording in High Definition on the radio, television, or any radio-type machinery like a microwave. It's possible, but other people CANNOT and WILL not verify it because it breaks their reality-structure or because they just can't hear it.

Objects appearing....the psyche is capable of manifesting reality. The question is, do we want it to if we don't have TOTAL control of ourselves?
We have to be in total control of our own realities to be capable of causing that change...if we want it to, who's to say someone can't change it as well?

Hummm be careful but I suggest reading "a Buddhist bible", don't try translating original Sanskrit or the 40 dialects of Chinese or Hindu.
I waisted a year trying that then found this book through a friend.
I read it along with Jewish sage writings and the also popular holy bible.
The similarities are astounding.I use the Buddhist writings to translate some ideas from the bible and am amazed.

[holder_of_the_dove]

Disconnect and self destruct one motive at a time......We are as beings desperate to feel a part of a greater power,we believe these different powers in all religions to be just and divine. Perhaps we are just as random and flawed as a nebula in bloom, a violent dying star, or an all consuming black hole. We are children not of a GOD, but of the cosmos, perhaps this is one in the same.

As I have read random interpretations of the bible and versions of the bible as well as the suppressed Gospels. An interesting concept was that of the version where Jesus was a celestial divine being that was part of a higher power than GOD. In the Gospel according to Judas Iscariot, Judas was indeed Jesus' most beloved,trusted and studious disciples. He was the only one to understand Jesus' ultimate end. Jesus' spends most of his time in the Gospels being misunderstood by his limited minded disciples. Anyhow, in the Gospel of Judas, Jesus instructs Judas to offer him up to death so that he may rise from his mortal embodiment. " So glad to see you well" ( not to bring your halo down).....and at Jesus' crucifixion Judas saw the soul of Jesus above his body laughing at the fact that his body was being morned and indeed he had risen above the domination of a Jealous, malice, spiteful being of a god. That indeed Jesus belonged to a higher consciousness known by the Gospel as the white infinite true power of creation, that before time and space which created the demi-god as well as others which have been worshiped which we often relate Jesus to. I am not trying to OFFEND so don't go postal, these are simply things I have read that make some sense.

Religion can often become a weapon, a tool, to control and suppress free thinking thought that is original and actually quite beautiful. I imagine the John Lennon song Imagine lol. Imagine there is no religion its easy if you try. Mankind is inherently good and some religions make enemies of others when if fact we are all brothers and sisters of the same universe.

Imagine you are an infinite universe. Inside you is a memory of creation and an infinite amount of layers sequenced upon spirals funneling from a core of infinity. As two upside down tornadoes...perhaps an infinite amount of tornadoes spiraling out from a core that infinitely collapses on its self. All matter is relevant and related, despite in my opinion those who believe we are in a simple almost amoeba one celled world. But perhaps in another light, the amoeba is the most simply divine and complex creature. More over perhaps we as humanity are a single cell, or perhaps we are like neurons in the brain, which is a single organ complex and infinite in possibilities. Much is unknown in the ways of science about the brain, dreams, time , space, realities, or even the budding belief that our cells hold memories. If perhaps our bodies microscopic cells work in a perfect unity of a seemingly chaotic and automated states, then maybe the opposite is true, that in fact each cell, every single cell in our body has a consciousness that is like a mimic of humanity on this planet. Perhaps we are an earth, a planet, with gravities and polarities....hmm, I am bombarded with these ideas constantly and unrelentingly and congruently. There is a symbiosis to human micro universes, macro universes and the scope of what we see. Perhaps all time exists with in the same temporal moment infinitely scattered in complex fractal patterns which make a connective tissue in the unconceivable code of these patterns relevant to the inept ability of our human ability. We are the shadow of the fourth dimension and a glimmer in the mirror of everything.

Quantum physics is the infant crying and speaking gibberish. Until it matures we can only guess what each coo and cry are concerning or becoming....

[krzyk101]

I must say that besides believing in God , being a Gay Man who God Loves just as much as any. My God loves me. He loves all of me, just know that God would rather me come out and say that I am gay, instead of lying to everyone about it. I was born this way. This is my own personal opinion and I am not looking for objective or persuasive comments in return just a bit more about myself.

Holder of the Dove, I understand parts of it and parts of it are way up and over my head into the next city, all in all i respect your beliefs and do enjoy your posts.

[Shoe]

I saw an interesting interview with Anne Rice. She said that she felt like she was in bed with the devil

http://abcnews.go.com/nightline

[*stardust*]

I think a life that is full of structure ad presdispostition is a dull one. If you can see the true beauty and force in nature, if you can feel the pull of what is beyond most people's knowlege and understanding, you will be closer to the truth of the world. I think the reality which we've created for ourselves is only touchng the surface of what is in actuality, truly real.
We've created a false world. However, most people are content to live out their lives this way. but im beginning to think there is more to life than following a path that has been laid out before you. i think there is a lot more out there than meets the eye, a lot more to learn.

[holder_of_the_dove]

The Shadow breaks and the light escapes...never going in coming back again...where do we see when we dont see, what do we see without the wisdom to look....are changes inherent to only the environment and its creatures...adaptation, inspiration, the desire and need to evolve?....the mentally ill are tapping into a new level...unsound and unbound...unlocked and yet chained by the backwards society lived within...from where do we go...from the emurgence of schizophrenia to the full out delusions ...when do we say, stop medicating us and listen to what we have to say...though we are sick, we are also a part of a moment in the backwaters of society a half cousin of the next level of human evolution...mental illness is the unhealing scar that keeps getting picked off ...healing into evolution...but reverting due to the illness into a so called handicap...many things to think about when we approach such things as are the mentally ill actually gifted in a sense of beyond...beyond human conciousness , beyond natural gifts, beyond the realms of understanding...there in a forrest of the crying winds is an infant crying you walked into the forrest unsure of where the child is...it swirls around you the cry, the deep, the emptiness of an impeading pain...what for is this....its the mind Fing with your head taking you for a ride and showing you what its like to evovle...to adapt...to become...something else...we are the mystics of this generation...only now we can be medically supressed...its unnatural dammit...and we deserve to be free....some of us suffer, i understand, but some of us fly, why clip the wings of all.....like a child with a gift...some are genious artists...and some are genious atheletes...we are something else that is beyond social,thinking,understanding of the normal population....we are the coming of a beginning...we are the third eye...the repeating signal, the sign, the broadcast of the universe...for this illness doesnt get cured but surrpressed and if you get on the right channels and know what to look for you become tuned in and adept at seeing all the sweet beauty of it....

[holder_of_the_dove]

if i do...we both may dissapear.

What are you? who are you is more important. What are we but reflections on a rippling lake, crashing and merging, collapsing and expanding...pushing and shoving eachother...fighting for nothing, fighting for everything...come away , go away , find where you belong....

We choose who we are and nothing else...if you are a hateful person, its your choice...though if you are sick, its out of control...but in a sense you choose that as well....mental illness does not have to be a nightmare..just like cancer...i watched two loved ones die from cancer within two years, a year of one another ...and i swear if they didnt look sick..yo uwould have never known it...illness is a state of mind...yes the test says you have cancer..or a quack says you are mental...but we decide how to deal with these changes and how to recieve,percieve, and express the happenins there within....

theres no love in fear...if you are on your back and fighting its time to let the bear eat you and release this life...it will only give birth to another and another and another...it repeats as fractals....i have a few theories about that ...so lets get into them...shall we....

everything...and i mean everything in the universe is in the mathmatical orderness of fractals...sure you say there is the chaos theory...but it is flawed due to the fact of fractals...we just havent fully understood this yet....i believe...even the patterns of life are fractal...now i am not a genious math matician and cant study this...but i see it...i feel it and sense it...dont laugh, but its like the matrix...its all around in everything an order that can be seen and IS there...just nearly invisible...but when you start looking the patterns are there..i believe it can be applied to everything...some genious needs to develope the math to prove it though...socially, economically, its more than visual patterns, its patterns of LIFE...everything we do...the way a group of people move in relation to eachother , the way countries war...its all relative...and the universe...it is fractal in nature as well...all life and what life does...along with the many paralell dimensions and states of conciousness....its infinite and eternal...

Spirals of life colliding , redefining, rearranging, considering, reflecting and refracting...in explosions and black holes...an instant birth , destruction (though not true destruction)..coming and going from inside and out...even the molecules in our body do this..and they are fractals as well...which contain memories which are also fractals...study a dream and you will be within a dream...everything relevant...EVERYTHING MATTERS FOR IT IS MATTER

We think, we speak, without awareness of the realm of forms. Everything is made up of molecules bound together by gravitational forces. Plato didn't know about molecules or gravity, but he did know great things about human thought. The Allegory of the Cave illustrates the way most people view the world around them. The reality that exist for most people is made up of their immediate surroundings and contact with others close to them. Home, work, and family basically make up the whole of their reality. To most people this is the only thing that is important in their lives. I view reality as a whole. The world is not just made up of materialistic things. There are realms of forms that most people cannot or will not perceive. If they open up their minds and try to be receptive to this realm, they may experience a new kind of perception. Here is a link to Plato's Allegory of the Cave. http://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/cave.htm Enjoy

[spiritual_emergency]

Thanks for sharing that link on Plato's Allegory, Sardean. My own experience suggests to me as well that there are multiple levels of reality. Here's another interesting link to add to Plato's thoughts...

Imagine you could find an explanation for everything in the Universe, from the smallest events possible to the biggest. This is the dream which has captivated the most brilliant scientists since Einstein. Now they think they may have found it. The theory is breathtaking and it has an extraordinary conclusion: that the Universe we live in is not the only one.

MICHIO KAKU (City University of New York): That there could be an infinite number of universes each with a different law of physics. Our Universe could be just one bubble floating in an ocean of other bubbles.

NARRATOR: Everything you are about to hear is true, at least in this Universe it is. For almost a hundred years science has been haunted by a dark secret: that there might be mysterious hidden worlds beyond our human senses. Mystics had long claimed there were such places. They were, they said, full of ghosts and spirits. The last thing science wanted was to be associated with such superstition, but ever since the 1920s physicists have been trying to make sense of an uncomfortable discovery. When they tried to pinpoint the exact location of atomic particles like electrons they found it was utterly impossible. They had no single location.

ALAN GUTH (Massachusetts Institute of Technology): When one studies the properties of atoms one found that the reality is far stranger than anybody would have invented in the form of fiction. Particles really do have the possibility of, in some sense, being in more than one place at one time.

NARRATOR: The only explanation which anyone could come up with is that the particles don't just exist in our Universe. They flit into existence in other universes, too and there are an infinite number of these parallel universes, all of them slightly different. In effect, there's a parallel universe in which Napoleon won the Battle of Waterloo. In another the British Empire held on to its American colony. In one you were never born.

ALAN GUTH: Essentially anything that can happen does happen in one of the alternatives which means that superimposed on top of the Universe that we know of is an alternative universe where Al Gore is President and Elvis Presley is still alive.

NARRATOR: This idea was so uncomfortable that for decades scientists dismissed it, but in time parallel universes would make a spectacular comeback. This time they'd be different, they'd be even stranger than Elvis being alive. There's an old proverb that says: be careful what you wish for in case your wish comes true. The most fervent wish of physics has long been that it could find a single elegant theory which would sum up everything in our Universe. It was this dream which would lead unwittingly to the rediscovery of parallel universes. It's a dream which has driven the work of almost every physicist...

Source: Parallel Universes

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