Hallucination and Astral Universe - Input Please!!!

Hey Everyone,

This one may sound a little strange, but I thought I'd throw it out there for a few opinions or some feedback. So I love physics and I was watching the show on Discovery about parallel universes and it got me thinking about the dimensions. We all know the first 3... length, width, height... and possible the 4th... time... maybe the 5th... space/movement/gravity. So anyway, I knew about these and read that there are actually 11 (infinite as well). So they say that the physical dimensions, which are the first 3 spatial dimensions, the one's we are in, are the layers of consciousness. Beyond the 3rd are the layers of awareness.

Beyond the physical spatial dimensions are the astral, manasic, etc., universes/layers/dimensions... whatever you wanna call it. They say that near death experiences, visions, hallucinations, and dreams are an opening of awareness into this dimension. (I'm trying not to get too lengthy and scientific here or this would be REALLY long). In the 4th dimensions, which is time, a person can move throughout any given period of time, but be in the same position; same with others. So here's my point/question...

If the 4th dimension is time and you can be anywhere you want at any period of time (such as in a dream) and that these near death experiences can open your eyes to all of the individuals and entities that are in any given place at one time... and that hallucinations supposedly give you the ability to have this opened sense of awareness... does that mean that the hallucinatory symptom of schizophrenia may actually be like an astral projection and that you aren't seeing or hearing something that isn't there, but actually seeing that 4th dimension of awareness that others can't see???

It's just a thought I pondered on the other night, I'm really curious to hear some opinions!!

LOL. I've actually had this conversation with my good Uncle and my hubby. My uncle even brought up the theroy that maybe people that have "hallucinations" are psychic and just open to a different plane of reality than other people. They see "deeper" than other people. I really don't know what I think but my husband is schizophrenic and those theories make him feel better than people just telling him he's mentally ill. I do know anything is possible and there are tons of phenomenon that can't be explained by the science we have right now. Who knows what we'll find out in the future.

I'm not sure... I used to ponder this kind of thing a lot, and had some theories, which I still at least partly concur with, but I've had to stop thinking about it, because it does send me off the deep end. One thing I'm sure of though is that time is not only one dimension. We're one point travelling along a straight line (time). I believe time has depth, breadth, height, and other properties that we don't understand. So our perception of time we only see tx1, whereas time can be tx2, tx3, etc. We're literally one dimensional in our interaction with time. If we see the first dimension of time, along which we travel, as a number line, we're moving along in the + direction (future) and can still see the - along that same line. But we only experience one point, now. Everything else is an illusion, a product of our perception. But sometimes we stand sideways, and see beyond our (three regular dimensions, plus t x1.)

I can't explain it very well, but that touches partly on what I believe.

I once had a psychiatrist that told me when I was hallucinating that I was opening my mind up to other dimensions. I find that weird but I stopped going to her a long time ago.

Actually I just looked at what I wrote above, and am cross with myself because I made a stupid mistake. I say "t x 2, 3 etc."

I don't actually mean times multiplied by two, or t multiplied by three, and so on. What I mean is time squared, time cubed, times to the power of four, etc etc etc. I just made a big cock up... never mind. I'm sure you guys will forgive me!

Thanks for the replies! Mgran, I think you made complete sense and you're right, we only travel and see in one line through time. If you take a two dimensional object on a straight plane, all they can see is two dimensions, but if you roll the plane into a cylinder, they traveled in a circle, but only believe it to be a straight line.

I think that time and space come in all directions and yes, physics can be really difficult to comprehend so I think that as we move from one dimension to the next, it will chisel away a little more information and opens our awareness more and more.

After studying this a little further, I really do think that the hallucinations are a heightened sense of awareness; just not everyone is open to it.

Hi Jewels:

I think we humans are very limited in what we can perceive of the world. It's just the nature of living in a physical body and perceiving with a physical brain. We think that what we see and hear is all there is, but we know there are colors we can't see and sounds we can't hear. Who's to say what exists that we simply can't take in?

You may be right. Some of the people interviewed on Madness Radio speak of their psychoses being a kind of opening up or expansion of their consciousness which they lost control of because it opened up too fast and/or because they didn't have a guide to help them through the experience.

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A very small number simply are "synesthetes"

A very small number

Synesthesia (also spelled synæsthesia or synaesthesia, plural synesthesiae or synaesthesiae), from the ancient Greek σύν (syn), "together," and αἴσθησις (aisthēsis), "sensation," is a neurologically based condition in which stimulation of one sensory or cognitive pathway leads to automatic, involuntary experiences in a second sensory or cognitive pathway.[1][2][3][4] People who report such experiences are known as synesthetes.

Reference --

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia

I have sometimes mild hallucinations (shadows, people standing behind me, color patterns (sorta like if there was momentary "visualization" thrown in to the sight... (you know the sort of media players on comp use), disortions...). I mostly write these of as "I should really get some rest". They suck, but they are livable.

but than I have feelings as chakras opening (feeling "hole in your head" is mysterious and cool when at home safe. Not cool when you feel that in public. feels vulnerable). I see auras, ghosts... other stuff.

I also get bothered by wifi. At times I can literally feel and see the information passing around and through me. For a brief moment.

The second last instances...I see as being glimpses of other worlds...

Venus, that's interesting what you say about wifi. I don't get that, but I can feel electricity, buzzing over my head when I'm under a pylon wire, or sizzling through the walls when I'm indoors. Not all the time, I hasten to add, but sometimes.

I get the hole in the head idea too. Sometimes you feel a colour descend. You don't see it, but you know it. Whether that's a hallucination or psychosis I don't know. When it happens though I brace myself, it usually presages something quite unpleasant.

I've heard of synesthesia before. It's fascinating.

I'm not sure which part of my post you were responding to. In the first half I mentioned that there are many things the human body can't perceive just because of its inherent limits. I was thinking of sounds so high-pitched we can't hear them or colors outside the range of the human eye or microbes so tiny we need a microscope. My point was that just because we can't perceive something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

In the second half of my comment, I was talking about experiences that might be classified as spiritual or mystical in nature. They describe it as an expansion of consciousness, an opening up, or a freeing from conventional behavior. In other cultures this might be seen as a religious experience in which the person is accessing something that can't be accessed in normal human perception. These cultures would provide the person with a guide - someone who had been through it themselves.

I've never experienced this personally, but I'm not quite arrogant enough to say that if I can't see it, it doesn't exist. I do know there are practitioners of many religions (maybe all religions?) who have mystical experiences. And there are many, many, many more people who wish to have these experiences and use things like drugs, sensory deprivation, and other techniques to achieve them.

I see reality as many, many parallel universes as a new one breaks off every time a decision is made; i have a friend who says that physicists worked out that if you put a coin in a bucket overnight there is a minute chance that in the morning it will be outside the bucket; seems to me that they switched universes in their sleep, and went to one where they didn't put it in the bucket. They wouldn't notice cause nothing else would have changed. Sounds weird, but i've always felt that I can feel potentials - amybe thats whats happening in the parallels, and maybe hallucinations are windows into the parallels. I had a phase of trying to switch, but stopped cause I couldn't tell anyone and knew theyd call me crazy, and didn't want to get caught by parents/friends...

I remember having this one hallucination when I was riding in the back seat of a car traveling down the freeway at about 60 mph when all of a sudden I saw a man all in black standing in front of the car. He slowly started to walk around to the driver's side door but when I reached up and locked it he walked back in front of the car and over to the passenger's side door. All of this seemed like the car was standing still even though we were traveling down the freeway. Later I thought that it was like this image of this man must of been from another dimension with a different time and space.

Wow this is so interesting...

I used to have these visions that I couldn't walk past a certain spot on a street. Like the world was flat and it just dropped off right there. I would become terrified and run back inside.

I used to see dark shadows of men walking towards my dog, standing out in the yard and then later see real men(not hallucinations) replace the shadows in the same exact spot.

I think schizophrenics in general are very in depth people. I sometimes always wandered if the things that happened during my psychosis was responsible for driving me insane. Not the psychosis itself.

Does anyone get the feeling like when people's voices become like bullets hitting your skin? Or when bright lights feel like it's burning you to death?

I have the opposite problem. I just feel like our world isnt real. Or just not as real as everyone else does and i dont tell anyone
because i know its not considered mentally healthy.

The only "problem" I have with thinking about other dimensions is that we are kind of "stuck" in this one in this body, with its own attention needs and not being in tune is a bit like walking and reading or texting; you tend to fall into fountains?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...n7265096.shtml

My gf keeps referring to borderline magical thinking in relation to what she sees and hears during her frequent psychotic episodes.

I am rather divided on this.

Its quite possible and maybe even logically explicable that there could be truth in a sensitivity to phenomena that other people can not perceive. I myself am a believer in the many worlds hypothesis of QM and I also have other reasons to believe that humans may well be able to perceive far more than our traditional senses should theoretically allow us to.

At the same time, another part of my mind is very reluctant to give too much credence or legitimacy to it because it could lead to her becoming immersed in a world apart from reality which I believe would very much hinder her prospects for recovery or coping with her schizophrenia.
This is not just a theoretical fear. Getting tied up with alternative explanations has at times already proved to be damaging to her perseverance in finding more valid and practical solutions.

I'd agree with that Sarek, when I get wrapped up in thinking about other worlds and diimensions I get drawn away from more concrete realities, which is hardly helpful.

Then would illegal drugs make people psychic too?

Thoughts from conspiracy theories to eternal damnation are keeping me up past 3 (aka "deadtime"), and homie's post reminds me: I suspect thought, hallucination, dream to be another reality/layer to this one. That within a mind is a literal cosmos, heaven, hell... I think all we see -including ourselves- makes up a God, that we each maybe a God in our own right. Perhaps the heavens and hells within us and the heavens and hells we may arrive to are these minds' means of accepting and rejecting these thoughts/realities/individuals... @__@

I suspect there's little between thought and reality. Just as we reside in the universe and the universe may reside in (a possible) God, so too may individuals and universes reside in us. These Heavens and Hells that may exist may be the processes by which these individuals/realities/thoughts are accepted and rejected... @__@

all that is really trippy to me...

but it's possible

I believe in the paranormal and all that, but over the decades I burnt myself out trying to figure it out in terms and any spiritual beliefs, including new age teachings and science. I've caught a lot of things on camera that shouldn't be there. On the other hand, this field is flooded with contradictions and difficult to prove, which is probably why academic community for the most part stays clear of it, but there are still a few brave academics trying to figure it out. Honestly, I think scientists will be the first and only way to prove it, but that may be decades away. It will happen. They will figure it out. I hear voices throughout the day, and so have had the opportunity to ask them. It might be in my head. Maybe whatever we are, our psyche, our true self is more amazing then any of us could possibly know. Anyhow, my voices say that my reality here can best be described as a different type of simulation that has vivid dream qualities, but it's not created by any type of computer we know on Earth. It's difficult for us to understand. They also talk about timelines. ... Anyhow, enough of my silliness lol. Just my 2 cents.

I believed my voices were spirits too. Then, I became delusional thinking I was psychic. My predictions were wrong then I realized I was ragingly ill and not in touch with reality. I have been taking my medication all of the time. However, the stress I had through my job interviews finally manifested as voices in my head. I think that voices can sound like spirits from another dimension. However, all they do is talk about me and nothing in this world is too interested in watching me all of the time. It is my experience that my voices are now more tame than before meaning they used to be very critical but now are just commenting on my daily activities. I wish they would go away for good but in times of stress they reappear and make me psychotic and delusional. I also believe in extraterrestrials and the like. But, I don't think that ET would contact me for no purpose and whatever I'm thinking about and hearing are not ET. They are voices in my head due to psychosis. I have had some imaginary friends when I was young and now since they talk about me all of the time, I realize that I am really sick when this happens. I believe some self-proclaimed ET contactees are probably mentally ill and some are probably not. But, as the skeptics say show me the evidence about your contact with ET then we can start talking seriously.