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Old Oct 17, 2011, 10:34 PM
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Also, KUREHA.

I asked because I while I think people are out for me, im not quite sure if it's large scale or not. I mean, either way, there's certain people who I do not tell all info to or get close to. My family and I are at odds right now, and I suspect petty play coming from a couple of them. One that I have always knew. For one, i believe I have figured out it's the immediate surrounding of people. For many reasons. I believe i'm enlightened enough to know when people may want to hurt me. (...Sometimes, society needs to do away with those that are a "threat" to them and the world. That have, not great knowledge, but are WISE enough to discern BS that rocks the clock 24/7, everyday, for as long as time is still TICKING. Individuality is NOT allowed. BUT...BUT...what if, that one wise person, or group of people do it subconsciously? The change is swift in travel. Swift in the conscious knowing...) Two reasons why I believe gang stalking is true is, there's not a reason for it not to be, it CAN be real, and I actually believe Randy Quaid and his wife... I do NOT believe they are delusional. (The day I heard their story on the news is the day my life changed with my disorder. People were calling them highly delusional. They took off to Canada, I believe). THERE IS such thing as the hollywood mafia. Of course, I don't have proof, but there's no reason for it to not be real. There's also been many reports over manyyy years of more than 3 people plotting to kill celebrities. They don't know what happened to that real estate agent who was found dead in her car? Hm, yea right. For all WE know, the media/news hosts could be in on that stuff. Many of them are rich and powerful are they not? And hollywood is so darn competitive, why NOT just kill the competition, because I bet they COULD get away with it. I also have many perfectly good reasons to be completely anti-psych, this is one of them.

7 Probable Victims of The Hollywood Star Whackers
http://www.screenjunkies.com/movies/...star-whackers/

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Old Oct 18, 2011, 05:35 AM
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It's easy to control people - they have been trying it for years, only takes a certain amount of time before they found out how to do it right, look up MK Ultra - they got someone to shoot their friend (with an unloaded gun) but she didn't know that at the time.

The nurse for example - she was fine, but she changed and got controlled by them, then the other nurse and now my psychiatrist - then I don't know how many sleeper cells they have following me.

It's certain people in the government - or like te book said people above the government, it does make sense that it goes higher than them.
It's really well thought out - they are super organized, that's why they never five too much away.

I wonder if we use the ICD then - it is all money and lies though.
Newtus - what were you diagnosed with - if you don't mind me asking, it's just certain things fit with gang stalking. The symptoms match on purpose of course.

If you think people are after you - then they probably are, they always want you to know , they never want to hide it because there would be no point then.
Your family could be involved - they do try to get them involved just to keep it up - so you should be extra careful.

You're right they don't just target people because they found out some amazing thing, they single people out that can see past the lies we are told everyday in the news and papers.

I never read the Randy Quaid case properly - but who can say he is delusional - he could be totally right about it.

It's like when people tell the police, someone is trying to kill them, they don't listen - then a few days later they are found dead - but no one believed them, I'm sure that is what will happen to me.
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Old Oct 30, 2011, 11:14 AM
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Well, I know how you feel, as it happens to me too. It's very scary, and has caused lots of pain. But now (don't ask me how, I have no idea!), I have somehow accepted it. Yes, they are out there, and there's nothing I can do to stop them. Everytime I have tried, I've ended up in hospital or in trouble. So, even if you just pretend to be oblivious to it, it kinda helps. Yes it may still be going on, and it makes me REALLY mad and makes me feel vulnerable, I TRY to ignore it. I even think that that riles them up a bit, they don't get the satisfaction. My advice is just to try and suppress the fear as best you can. There is nothing I can do to stop them, It probably feels like it's you against the world But they observe me too (no idea why?!), so that's at least 2 of us! I have also found that sleeping with a tin-foil cap under a beanie hat can help scramble signals, whilst you are in a suggestive state (sleeping) It at least makes me feel slightly more re-assured. Stay as strong as you can, as Rihanna () says: 'Don't let the b******s get ya down' Just try not to entertain them by worrying or getting vengeful, most of the time it works. Good Luck x
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Old Oct 31, 2011, 11:00 AM
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Sorry it happens to you as well.

I try to ignore them and then I'll see them and it makes me anxious again.
It's because they keep it up all the time - they don't let people ignore them, because that doesn't help them, it people can that's great, but they increase things to stop that happening.

That's what they've een doing to me the last 2 weeks, increasing everything.
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Old Oct 31, 2011, 02:18 PM
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The link to Hollywood Gangstalking is a joke... the author is clearly mocking people who believe in such stalking. This quote for example should prove they see the thing as a joke.

"It’s said that Reagan passed away in 2004 after a ten-year battle with Alzheimer’s disease. But do they really expect us to believe that a healthy 84-year old could decline so rapidly in the span of a single decade?"
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Old Oct 31, 2011, 02:30 PM
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I'm going to confess something here which most people will think makes me plainly crazy. It's something I've believed at all stages of my illness, and when I'm stable too.

I honestly believe that the hidden authorities (and I'm not sure who they are) are working on technology to control the planet. I believe that they are working on some form of compulsory id (a chip, a tatoo, or some other device) which will clearly identify its bearer.

I also believe that some form of thought transmitter is being worked on as a weapon of war to be used in combat. It would be much easier to defeat your enemy if you could make them paranoid and confused and start fighting amongst themselves. At times I wonder if this device is being tested on certain members of the general public, but I'm not sure what the criteria for being "chosen" might be. It could tie into gang stalking though, from what I understand.

I also believe that the day will come when computers aren't lap tops or any derivative thereof, but a device that is implanted in the head, that is controlled by thought alone. The "net" will be able to be accessed directly into the human mind.

The problem with that of course would be that thoughts could literally be inserted into the human with such a computer chip, and they would be easier to manipulate and use.

It's not something I talk about a lot, because people tell me it's insane, but I just thought, I'd better say it, because if it's true (and I do genuinely believe that it is true) then forewarned is fore armed. Whatever you do, don't accept any form of id that is inserted into your body, and when computer upgrades get into the human brain, don't go there. At some point we'll have to make a choice between access to the internet, games, technology, even accessing bank accounts and money, and keeping our mental space safe.

Okay, I know that most people will read this and think I'm mad, but wait a few years, and when it starts to come to pass, remember you heard it here first.
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Old Oct 31, 2011, 03:46 PM
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Some of that can be done now, just with mind control.

Just think of all the technology we don't know about and
How that is being used.

They already have a great cover for gang stalking. Shows how easy it is to cover things up
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Old Oct 31, 2011, 03:48 PM
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Okay, I know that most people will read this and think I'm mad, but wait a few years, and when it starts to come to pass, remember you heard it here first.
I'll remember I heard it here first.

Actually I have a friend who has similar beliefs, and she's not crazy at all. She always laughs when she talks about her "conspiracy theories," but she really believes them. So, no, I don't think that's evidence of insanity.
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Old Nov 01, 2011, 08:18 AM
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Well, I'm glad I got it off my chest at least! Thanks for not laughing at me.
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Old Nov 11, 2011, 09:01 PM
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You don't need to be frightened. The perpetrators of what you call "gang stalking" (and I call "organised stalking") almost never murder their victims. The only victim I have met who was killed in the UK, about whom I am appearing in the High Court in The Queen -v- HM Coroner for West Sussex on 28th November, was driven to suicide (a form of deniable murder), by EH, not by OS.

Before he was killed, this comrade conducted a survey, and found that 82% of those who responded, reporting EH or OS, reported both of these abuses. Do you get EH? Are you classing this as part of the OS?

The Home Office statistics, and those of the Department of Justice in the USA, are that about one in eight victims of stalking, are stalked by multiple stalkers.

Your attempts to educate mental health professionals in whose eyes you are one of their patients, are likely to land you in trouble, in the form of being sectioned, which, I promise you, is a very nasty experience. It's your family and friends, and your faith community leaders if you have a faith, that you need to educate first.

You think that the police are involved? I do not wish to discuss in this public, searchable forum, the evidence I have that this might well be so, in some cases. At very least, the police aren't good at responding to reports of this crime.

The important thing is to get your "paranoia" levels down. (I am using that P word in a colloquially sense, not in a clinical sense here. Of course, it's not endogenous paranoia in the case of stalking victims, it's reactive hyper-vigilance, but the induced affect is the same.) Do you have an allegiance to a faith community that might help you in this, or a "higher power"?

Your posts are a mixture of activism (educating others that organised stalking is a real crime) and cry-for-help (the "I can't take this any more" despair I witness often). At which level would you prefer people to respond?

Some of your posts in a different thread raise the spectre of "danger to others", particular those that mention the knife that you own. That's a no-go area, a major taboo. Please stop that at once! You need to read up on "decoying", to get it into your head that victims of mind control psyops easily succomb to efforts to persuade them that certain perfectly innocent people who live nearby, are perpetrators.

Another topic to read about is "sensitisation". By sensitising a target, an exaggerated perception of the amount of stalking afoot, and the numbers involved, can be induced. The psyops are secret. They wouldn't still be secret if the huge numbers of local people were involved that seem to be involved, to many targets. Many websites contain speculation and misinformation.

I'd like to send you some useful links, but I only joined this forum today, sent here on somebody else's recommendation. I have to clock up ten posts before I can send you any links. It's a rule here, apparently. So far, my only post apart from this one hasn't passed the pre-censorship applied to new member's postings.

Focus on family, friends, college or workplace. Continue taking your new medication, if you feel that you cannot calm yourself down without that crutch. Just do what it takes, to calm yourself down.

I wish the mental health professionals you deal with were more sympathetic, but they've been trained to believe that alleged victims of persecution are all making up stories. Learn to manipulate them, so that they offer you everything that you know or hope will help, and nothing that hinders you. I bet you can, if you acquire, and keep, a cool head.

Is it OK to pray for you?
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Old Nov 12, 2011, 08:03 PM
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I also believe that some form of thought transmitter is being worked on as a weapon of war to be used in combat. It would be much easier to defeat your enemy if you could make them paranoid and confused and start fighting amongst themselves. At times I wonder if this device is being tested on certain members of the general public, but I'm not sure what the criteria for being "chosen" might be. It could tie into gang stalking though, from what I understand.
I believe that you are on the right lines. If you go to Google Scholar, and search for author JJ McMurtrey, you'll find the following learned literature review papers:
  • Recording Microwave Hearing Effects: Literature Review and Case Report of an Affiant to Recording Remote Harassment
  • Microwave bioeffect congruence with schizophrenia
  • Remote behavioral influence technology evidence
  • Technological Simulation of Hallucination

Other papers by John McMurtrey, not yet listed on Google Scholar, are published on the Science page of the website of the group Christians Against Mental Slavery (CAMS). These include:
  • Project Bizarre Weapons Implications: Are Psychiatric Diagnosis, and Microwave Exposure Standards Presumptive?
  • A Simulated Hallucination Mechanism Compared to Hallucination Brain Response Studies
  • Inner Voice, Target Tracking, and Behavioral Influence Technologies
  • Thought Reading Capacity
  • Physiologic Word Recognition
  • Remote EEG Discussion

From the said Science page, there is also a link to a page that tells of my venture into the "Lions' Den" (so-to-speak) of the 5th European Symposium on Non-lethal Weapons, where I delivered a presentation to the the Social Implication "workshop" on the conference's "day zero", entitled
  • Ethical and societal implications of capacity for privacy-invasive remote interrogation and behavioural influence applications

Walter Madliger gave a presentation before mine, entitled
  • Electromagnetic Weapons and Human Rights

Although he had not responded to the call for papers during the planning stages of the conference timetable, Colonel John B Alexander was allowed to give a presentation after mine, billed as a refutation of whatever I claimed in mine, although he admitted in open session to a journalist, that there weren't any inaccuracies in my description of the capabilities, whilst denying any personal knowledge of any of the deployments against (as you put it) "certain members of the general public", and mentioning Paraphrenia, and James Tilly Matthews (as I had predicted he would resort to doing in his presentation, during the course of my presentation.)

Other titles on the CAMS Science page include:

Military sources
  • Bioeffects of Selected Non-Lethal Weapons
  • Neuroelectric Activity and Analysis in Support of Direct Brainwave to Computer Interface Development
  • Radiofrequency Radiation Dosimetry Handbook
  • MKULTRA Subproject 119

Media reports
  • 60 Minutes (CBS News) documentary "Mind Reading"
  • New Scientist report about the latest V2K weapon - "MEDUSA"

Other
  • Feasibility Study for Design of a Biocybernetic Communication System
  • On the Need for New Criteria of Diagnosis of Psychosis in the Light of Mind Invasive Technology
  • Hacking The Mind

A survey by Darrim Daoud, before he was killed shortly after organising a demonstration against Directed Energy Weapons Abuse and Organised Stalking, showed that 82% of respondents who reported one or other of the two abuses, reported both of them. So your speculation that there might be a connection between Organised Stalking and Electronic Harassment isn't at all (as they say) "florid", in my eyes. Well done for spotting it.

If you want lighter reading that the scientific papers, then just Google the expression voice-to-skull, and be prepared to take with a pinch of salt some of the search results. (Health warning = "may contain nuts", if you see what I mean.) The third search result when I did it just now was a piece that mentions me, by Sharon Weinberger, who also writes for The Washington Post, for which paper she wrote a long Sunday supplement feature published one Sunday entitled "Mind Games", in which she mentions several people I have met, and at least two with whom I have shared accommodation, or who have visited me at home.

I hope this reassures you that your suspicions aren't at all outlandish. They are very commonplace, with good reason.

Best wishes,

John Allman
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Old Nov 13, 2011, 06:20 AM
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I think they will kill me after the government finish testing - I think that is the plan. Yeah I get EH as well, not so much though.

Yeah it sucks getting sectioned, my nurses will wonder what is wrong if I stop telling them about it though, I could mention less about it though.

The police know that I know they are involved, but it doesn't matter to them, because they can just say I'm crazy, so its totally covered up.
I don't mind how people respond - I just want people to know about it.

You know a lot about this - I know a bit, just stuff I've got from websites and from things that have been happening to me.

I would tell people at college, but I have the feeling they will think I'm crazy, all I've had is weird looks when I've mentioned to other people, the college already have me seeing the student counsellor now.

The knife was about 30% my idea - they added the extra 70% to convince me I needed to do something to the sleeper cells - I still feel like they have some control.

Yeah if you want to pray for me - it's cool
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Old Nov 13, 2011, 10:07 AM
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Here is an interesting talk by one of my favorite authors, Rick Hanson. I am not sure about that full potential org. though.

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