Hearing voices or own thouhts?

costello · Feb 20, 2013, 12:35 PM

I'm listening to this one:

The interviewee makes the statement in description of Jaynes' theory of the bicameral mind: "In stressful situations, we would hear a voice directing behavior."

This reminded me an anecdote Sacks recounts in the book Hallucinations. He had a serious injury while hiking in the mountains. He was making very slow, painful progress toward help when he started getting weary. He stopped to take a rest. He had decided he was going to stay there and maybe sleep, when he heard a commanding voice say, "You don't want to do that." He obeyed the voice and kept moving, saving his life.

newtus · Feb 20, 2013, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by costello

I'm listening to this one:

The interviewee makes the statement in description of Jaynes' theory of the bicameral mind: "In stressful situations, we would hear a voice directing behavior."

This reminded me an anecdote Sacks recounts in the book Hallucinations. He had a serious injury while hiking in the mountains. He was making very slow, painful progress toward help when he started getting weary. He stopped to take a rest. He had decided he was going to stay there and maybe sleep, when he heard a commanding voice say, "You don't want to do that." He obeyed the voice and kept moving, saving his life.

what do u think of that?

reminds me of a voice i heard a couple of weeks ago that said "this isnt good for you". idk what it was talking about though.

costello · Feb 20, 2013, 12:53 PM

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what do u think of that?

I think the voice came from Sacks to Sacks. It's interesting that this person who didn't have a history of voice hearing and who didn't hear voices after that incident heard a voice in this moment of intense stress.

kittycat97 · Feb 21, 2013, 11:14 AM

What are the chances of being diagnosed with schizophrenia if you are hearing voices? What are the other symptoms of schizophrenia?

Atypical_Disaster · Feb 21, 2013, 11:51 AM

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What are the chances of being diagnosed with schizophrenia if you are hearing voices? What are the other symptoms of schizophrenia?

I don't know what the chances are, there's several disorders that include psychosis/psychotic features besides Schizophrenia.

The other symptoms of Schizophrenia can easily be found in the articles section of this website, and also by doing a google search.

If you're very concerned about your symptoms and they're seriously interfering with your life, you may want to consider talking to a professional about your concerns. Take care of yourself.

tokiwartooth · Feb 21, 2013, 03:47 PM

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thanks for that

theres this girl who i used to goto middle school with - i came in contact with her couple years ago. when i first saw her a 3 years i hadnt seen her since middle school and i met her mom really nice woman. seemed like a cool mom and happy. i talked to her a year later after not talking to her in a long time. she said her mom has depression issues and was at the local psych hospital where she ended up committing suicide. anyway she said she has a demon that follows her around ever since she did something with witchcraft and she see it too. kept telling me to be careful and that she cant tell me all the details about it because it will start following me too. i actually completely believe her. because i believe in that spiritual world. she would be 25 right now probably. i actually believe i have demons that try to scare me on a daily basis. i cant see them but i sometimes think i do but i can sense them and i can point to where they are located everytime anytime around me. i can hear them.

i googled julian jaynes on youtube. theres tons of videos on that stuff u said. i also found a video connected to that stuff about the God Helmet. someone connected to the theory invented a brain stimulator or somethig that can produce delusions on command in someone. the video shows him experimenting on this girl and she said she felt entities around her and pointed them out in her room. its interesting but what hes getting at i dont believe cause of my beliefs. but its interesting.

I believe in demons and spirits too. I've seen them too. My mom has seen them. In the house I grew up in, my aunt used to practice black magic in the 70s. We used to see this pitch black, I mean darker than black shadow sink from the ceiling, down the wall, and through the 2nd story floor. I've seen shadow legs coming down the stairs. Things used to get thrown around. I was sitting in my dining room with a friend when a tomato went flying off the kitchen counter onto the floor. I'd been grabbed before, had my bedroom door knocked on when no one was home, and had a roll of duct tape thrown at me from across the hall when I was battening up for a hurricane. I had set the roll down on my aunt's bed across the hall, and it literally flew from her room at me and landed in front of my doorway. I was terrified in that house. I heard so many voices in that place. And I can totally relate to the original poster in that sometimes it is hard to distinguish where it's coming from. I can't always tell if it's in my head or actually audible.

newtus · Feb 24, 2013, 02:55 AM

hears an excerpt from a chapter of the hearing voices network.
http://www.hearingvoicesmaastricht.eu/page12.php

it mentions julian jaynes

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Typically, these attempts have been mounted around certain perceived characteristics of auditory hallucinations, most commonly whether the voices appear to be emanating from outside the voice hearer or from inside their head (or some other part of their body). Classically, the latter, particularly when combined with ‘intact’ insight, have been referred to as ‘pseudo-hallucinations’, while only the former, i.e., ‘external’ hallucinations, have been accorded the label ‘proper hallucinations’ or ‘true hallucinations’ and considered a psychotic symptom (Jaspers, 1963/1913). However, insight is technically not an experienced aspect of the hallucination but a subsequent evaluation by the voice hearer (essentially equivalent to a secondary delusion). While it appears likely that there are some – as yet unidentified – personality or psychological factors which determine whether voices are heard internally or externally (and help to explain why one person can hear both internal and external voices and why some voices’ perceived source of location may change), there is no evidence that perceived location (or any other experienced characteristic of AH) map onto diagnostic categories or relevant clinical variables (such as treatment response). Indeed, a recent study pointedly titled ‘On the non-significance of internal versus external auditory hallucinations’ examined this issue in a large cohort and concluded, “(T)he clinical relevance of location is not confirmed, and the conceptual clarity and clinical utility of the pseudohallucination is undermined” (Copolov, Trauer & Mackinnon, 2004, p. 5). Berrios and Dening (1996), in an exhaustive historical review, likened the concept of ‘pseudohallucinations’ to a “‘joker’ in the diagnostic game” whose fluidity allowed clinicians to “call into question the genuineness of some true hallucinatory experiences that do not fit into a pre-conceived psychiatric diagnosis” (p. 761).

If this is so – if there is no reliable way to distinguish hallucinations experienced in persons diagnosed with schizophrenia from those with other disorders or even from the general non-psychiatric population – what then do we make of auditory hallucinations[2]? While AH have long been considered a core symptom of psychosis, if their clinical utility remains limited, should that assumption be re-evaluated? Should the concept of auditory hallucinations be decoupled from the concept of psychosis? And if that occurs, what becomes of the concept of psychosis?

Feb 24, 2013, 07:19 PM

They are called Jinn, look them up they are real.

I don't talk to them, He is NOT a Jinn. Him and His frineds I see and talk to are not Jinn but Jinn are real and are here amongst us.

kittycat97 · Feb 25, 2013, 11:09 AM

Can you just bring up the symptoms and but specifically say that you don't want to have any diagnosis?

kittycat97 · Feb 25, 2013, 11:10 AM

Seeing my doctor today... Stress max.

Feb 25, 2013, 11:20 AM

Hope it goes well kitty. I'm seeing a new PDoc on Wednesday. I have had extra stress and worry its finishing me off.

costello · Feb 25, 2013, 11:41 AM

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Can you just bring up the symptoms and but specifically say that you don't want to have any diagnosis?

Maybe you could ask him or her not to tell you a dx, but I think they have to hang some kind of label on you for insurance purposes.

mimi2112 · Feb 25, 2013, 09:37 PM

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I think the voice came from Sacks to Sacks. It's interesting that this person who didn't have a history of voice hearing and who didn't hear voices after that incident heard a voice in this moment of intense stress.

I have read dozens of accounts of people with no history of mental illness, who are under stress from say, an injury in the wilderness without treatment, or extreme isolation, sleep deprivation, who exhibit symptoms like hearing voices and hallucinations. Delusions and paranoia are also common.

This winter when I had the flu , I was in such a miserable state that I had horrible feverish dreams. Part of my mind was experiencing a delusional state.
Recently under a lot of duress, I have thought that I've seen someone or something out of the corner of my eye, but it was just the vacuum.

I think we have grown to fear labels and dignoses and medications, but symptoms like paranoia and suspiciousness need to be addressed. They cause us to live in fear and to isolate. I do not want these symptoms to get worse. I chose to tell my psych nurse.

I suggest that anyone experienceing these types of symptoms should talk to their healthcare provider.