[Sometimes psychotic]

First experience with a wireless system - PubMed Mobile

So apparently they are developing pills with microchips that feed back to a device you wear once the pill has digested and the chip is exposed. Ummm words cannot describe how I feel about this.

Ok this comes to mind, the novel 1984 was supposed to be a warning not a guide.

[Atypical_Disaster]

Um.

What. The. ****.

Yeah, I don't have words. Just... what?

[Gr3tta]

The implications for abuse are bad - very bad. But! What about all the people who do really want to be consistent with their meds, and simply can't keep track of them? They could just look at a digital read out of what time they took them? That would be amazing! Not just for persons with mi - but for anyone who needs to take regular meds and has trouble keeping track. I think this technology could do a lot of good, too.

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by Gr3tta

The implications for abuse are bad - very bad. But! What about all the people who do really want to be consistent with their meds, and simply can't keep track of them? They could just look at a digital read out of what time they took them? That would be amazing! Not just for persons with mi - but for anyone who needs to take regular meds and has trouble keeping track. I think this technology could do a lot of good, too.

I admit it was developed for good and people can potentially get cell phone alerts if they miss their dose by 2 hours or more but all I can think is what happens when the courts get a hold of this. It will be like one of those prison leg bracelets you have to wear as a condition of release. Right now you have to take a separate pill with the chip in it but it was specifically developed with antipsychotics in mind so it won't be too long till they make special versions with chips built right in. Plus given that I was always worried about chips being implanted in me this would be a special form of torture.

[unaluna]

Do you poop the chips? Poop chips??

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by hankster

Do you poop the chips? Poop chips??

Yes...it's like capsule endoscopy but smaller.

[justmeandmyhead]

If people weren't paranoid before they sure would be after...

[mimi2112]

This doesn't surprise me. I do strongly agree that it's all about the government, and controlling the masses. What SP said about 1984 as a guide book- exactly.

This is why I was leary about the gene testing you guys did. (And please don't tell me that the labs wouldn't give the government the info. The government is already monitoring our phones and the internet etc.) If I show a genetic predisposition for Sz, or whatever disease that needs to be eradicated, and the government accesses that info, then it's not too far off in the future that I will be forced to take meds and monitored with a microchip for compliance.

Also the drones that are as small as mosquitos that can follow people into their homes and surveil them, it's already happening.

[mimi2112]

For me, the book "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley comes to mind.

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by mimi2112

Also the drones that are as small as mosquitos that can follow people into their homes and surveil them, it's already happening.

I'm not sure about mosquito size but they do have hummingbird ones, that actually look like hummingbirds. Someone pointed out that hummingbirds are only present in North America so they made them to spy on their own people...nice.

[newtus]

now i wil NEVER EVER EVER give meds a chance again.

may stop the xanax

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[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by newtus

now i wil NEVER EVER EVER give meds a chance again.

may stop the xanax

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Sorry...they aren't actually doing this yet just in controlled studies and you have to wear a belt pack for monitoring its not like they can detect it from afar.

[Atypical_Disaster]

I just don't understand how they can think this is a good idea for patients who are already prone to severe paranoia.

[mimi2112]

Sorry, I don't mean to hijack your thread Insect Size Spy Drones Unveiled

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...ones&FORM=IGRE

[FireBird]

A few years ago I predicted chips in meds and it led to a delusion that stopped me from taking pills for awhile. I guess it wasn't a delusion after all. I think it was 2008 that I had that thought. Terrible. But in my delusion it was the government doing it for mind control. Actually that can be true and not a delusion because the government is 200 years ahead of the cities. Here where I live? 200 years behind the cities. There are literally areas without electricity. Our family is the highest tech in this town. We have the highest speed internet. We have computers. Everything tech wise but most here are more concerned about cows. In fact the top story in this week's local paper was about a cow. They focus on cows a lot and I can't tell you what the other thing they focus on because I don't want to give my actual location away obviously.

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by mimi2112

Sorry, I don't mean to hijack your thread

Hey, it's the sz/psychosis forum, thread hijacking is perfectly normal and accepted around here.

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by mimi2112

Sorry, I don't mean to hijack your thread Insect Size Spy Drones Unveiled

mosquito size drones - Bing Images

Eh the conversation goes where it goes around these parts, I don't consider it a hijack.

As far as the Mosquitos just turn on a fan...that's the latest advice for real Mosquitos because they are so small they can't fly against the wind, bet its the same for those drones.

[Gr3tta]

@sometimes - I absolutely see what you're saying. But if you could avoid prison or involuntary in patient by wearing the monitor, wouldn't that be a great option?
Sorry the chip idea strikes a particular nerve with you.

[Perna]

Originally Posted by Sometimes psychotic

It will be like one of those prison leg bracelets you have to wear as a condition of release.

If I have the choice between going to prison for a crime I commit or being on home arrest with a leg bracelet, I'll take the leg bracelet. If I am known to get violent, lost (senility comes to mind), out of control, a danger to myself or others or just a pain in the butt to someone else I am dependent on to care for me if I don't take my meds, I want someone to be making sure I take my meds and I don't want to be institutionalized for them to have to do that.

[newtus]

chips are real. for anyone who wants REAL factual info ask me. ive extensively personally researched it for 3 years now. still going. ive went to this companies sites n all. just everything.

for starters just look up VeriChip Corp. they changed the name of their company to PositiveID Corp in 2009.. they ALREADY currently make chips for medical purposes for people with alzhiemers to find their way home. as of 2012 or so they have put in a request TO THE FDA for use of the chip in people between 18-65 for ALL purposes. they are gonna promote it as "you dont ever need to carry around ur medical card again! just have Drs scan the chip in your body!". theres aslo many public school districts that put RFID tags on teens and kids so if they skip school the Administration WILL KNOW.

plus they put chips in your pets.

I TOLD people this around me and some online who didnt believe me. its NOT farfetched at all. for some reason people seem to thing itll be sprung on them out of the blue and be an obviously "crazy" idea. thats never really how govt control worked.

they start getting the most vulnerable of society involved (kids. elderly. pets could be in this category too im sure. basically people who may not have much say anyway). then they make it look like its SUCH A "GREAT" idea ("never have to lug around alllll your medical cards again! its ALWAYS with you! easy scanning!"). whatever. before u know it *BOOM* too late every effing person has one.

dont believe me? let me give an easy example: FACEBOOK.

get a certain niche of people involved first andstart the hype (ivy league schools. then colleges and businesses). then expand it to rest of population. make it look like a really good idea (have all ur friends in one place! invite ur friends to party all in 1 place! stay connected with family!). then *BOOM* Every single person has it. and the people like me? well see what i said in the facebook post? i cant get coupons from companies unless i "LIKE" their FB page. i cant use certain iphone apps unless i have FB. and so on and so on. people like me end up getting locked out of "life" so to speak or out of doing certain things because we dont possess this idea.

its a SIMPLE business and political idea that companies use and marketers use and leaders of countries use sometimes.

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[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by Gr3tta

@sometimes - I absolutely see what you're saying. But if you could avoid prison or involuntary in patient by wearing the monitor, wouldn't that be a great option?
Sorry the chip idea strikes a particular nerve with you.

For prison I get it, but for involuntary inpatient...well frankly I'm not sure that I agree. I haven't been put in that way so I'll defer to anyone with first hand experience.

I really don't like the idea of anything visible...as if the illness isn't stigmatizing enough, wearing a belt pack to monitor the chips is going to brand you like a criminal for being sick. People are unreasonably afraid of us already can you imagine if we could be easily id'd people would pull their kids a little bit closer. I don't want to feel what that's like. I'd rather they check blood levels or give me a depot injection. Something you can't see.

There's also something with the psychology that conveys a deep lack of trust...I don't like that either.

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by newtus

chips are real. for anyone who wants REAL factual info ask me. ive extensively personally researched it for 3 years now. still going. ive went to this companies sites n all. just everything.

for starters just look up VeriChip Corp. they changed the name of their company to PositiveID Corp in 2009.. they ALREADY currently make chips for medical purposes for people with alzhiemers to find their way home. as of 2012 or so they have put in a request TO THE FDA for use of the chip in people between 18-65 for ALL purposes. they are gonna promote it as "you dont ever need to carry around ur medical card again! just have Drs scan the chip in your body!". theres aslo many public school districts that put RFID tags on teens and kids so if they skip school the Administration WILL KNOW.

plus they put chips in your pets.

I TOLD people this around me and some online who didnt believe me. its NOT farfetched at all. for some reason people seem to thing itll be sprung on them out of the blue and be an obviously "crazy" idea. thats never really how govt control worked.

they start getting the most vulnerable of society involved (kids. elderly. pets could be in this category too im sure. basically people who may not have much say anyway). then they make it look like its SUCH A "GREAT" idea ("never have to lug around alllll your medical cards again! its ALWAYS with you! easy scanning!"). whatever. before u know it *BOOM* too late every effing person has one.


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Yeah I knew about the pets but I had no idea that they were promoting chipping people to the general public. You're right it will start with the kids in case they get lost and stuff. But yeah with the pills you will just poop them out in a couple of days.

[The_little_didgee]

This is VERY disturbing. Where is our privacy going? Now, I have every right to feel paranoid.

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by The_little_didgee

This is VERY disturbing. Where is our privacy going? Now, I have every right to feel paranoid.

So true. Sad but true.

[The_little_didgee]

Why can't trust be adequate?

I had medication compliance problems in my late teens, because I did not have a proper diagnosis and hope for the future. My problems filled a void. Perhaps, compliance would be improved if people were not stigmatized and given a chance to contribute (meaningfully) to society. Anyway, the psychiatric system tends to marginalize its own clients. They only recommended programs or support that alienated me.