Protect yourself against forced treatment...

They(the psychs) have more money and more public support and the problem is there probably are cases that may warrant forced treatment at least according to public opinion---I mean if we could have stopped james holmes ahead of time wouldn't you...but the frequency of such acts is so low---is it worth taking away an innocent persons freedom in order to stop such things? The problem is the general public is thinking it will never happen to them so why worry. I agree we simply don't have the power to do it but there will always be a rosa parks just simple civil disobedience and a willingness to face the consequences. We just don't have good PR in general though---people are scared because they watch the news and the news doesn't usually report good things so its incredibly biased. There is this tendency not to fight because the people who can fix you are the same ones who hurt you---its got this Stockholm syndrome vibe to it...
It amazes me though how strong the autism movement has become though and its a bit of an inspiration...

Ran across this...

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...ospitalization

This guys seems disappointed that his patients fired him after involuntary commitment...seriously I mean duh you'd have to have drank the koolaid to believe its a good thing...

Grieving mom is held against her will, but still billed

So this happens every day for people who have psychosis but one depressed person and its national headlines----

That is because there is a hierarchy of mental illnesses. Whether people admit it or not. Eating disorders are near the top, and schizophrenia is near the bottom. Dissociative identity disorder is pretty high up as well, which means that for people who originally got a diagnosis of schizophrenia, it's a HUGE upgrade. People at the top get treated like human beings, people at the bottom get treated like human waste.

You get the impression he has no idea what it's like, and genuinely believes he did these people a favour

Yeah that is a double standard :/

*Willow*

how would schizophrenia at the bottom? and how are eating disorders at the top? that seems like the other way around. that doesnt seem right.

That's totally how I would see it too---with things at the top being most accepted by society and things at the bottom being the least.

Yeah its this odd self-righteousness. I've been reading the psychiatric times lately and there was this one article that had patients who thanked them for being hospitalized---so long as that happens they will always believe that they are doing something right----oddly though I can see myself thanking them in an attempt to manipulate the system---I mean whatever politeness is necessary to escape the system I would totally do---

So I was just looking for the article on the site and I did not get one search result for the term involuntary but got tons for inpatient. Interesting distinction depending on your perspective...I wonder if it helps them sleep at night?

Having been in inpatient for anorexia, bipolar, and psychosis on separate occasions, I have found that eating disorder patients are treated MUCH better than everyone else. People have sympathy for them, they talk to them like people instead of patients, they don't feel like they need to restrict them as much as other patients.

When in treatment for bipolar, people had a lot less patience; they focus much more on medicating you, however they do expect you to put in an effort on your own to some extent.

When getting treatment for psychosis, there was no sympathy or understanding. They just cared about giving you meds. Often the staff would not even talk to me. If I was freaking out, they treated it like a behavioral problem instead of a psychosis problem.

I also feel much more comfortable "coming out" as anorexic and even bipolar than as schizophrenic, because the stigma attached to schizophrenia is so much worse. The stigma attached to bipolar is pretty bad too. I haven't gotten too much crap for my anorexia in comparison. Of course, this is just my own experience.

I know, I almost wish they would not tell the staff what your dx was---the staff didn't talk to me either its like I wasn't human...

mhm i see. less stigma.

well im f_ked then. arent i? being schiz.
theres no hope.

I'm not sure if it's stigma so much as genuine fear---the thing they don't realize is that forming a relationship with the patient is likely to lower the chances that something bad will happen...the way they approach you at least with psychosis is geared for confrontation---its like they are ready for a fight and its almost triggers the same response in you as a person because you're all like these people look like they are ready to knock me to the ground maybe I should be ready for a fight too?

yea. i dont know why they are afraid though. i mean i think why in GENERAL but idk why they are individually. but they are all like that. i almost expect now ACTUALLY for people to be afraid of me because most have been.

thats why i like my therapist.
shes real nice and treats me like a human being.
thats why i dont want to change therapists. but shes not so good with the coping skills. not entirely.

i had one therapist when i spoke she made HUGE eyes at me like she was scared and that made me scared too and i was thinking *wtf is up with her* cause thats not naturally how she was. maybe it was because i told her of my past run ins with police. but this current one isnt like that.

Yeah I know its absolute prejudice---my guess is they had a bad run in with a patient with a similar dx someone who was violent and now they can't react normally to people with that dx anymore almost like PTSD. I'm not sure if they get any therapy but they should...

Its weird though I mean there will be literally four of them to one of me and they are still scared---um yeah what am I going to do---I can't even get a plastic knife to cut my chicken---what am I going to assault them with a chess piece or something?

Ok so sz is not at the bottom(0.1)---I just looked up a paper on the attitude of mental health professionals towards different conditions---what is worse is having been housed in a forensic hospital(-1.2) for anything or opiate addiction(-1)---those two were comparable but the worst was alcoholism(-3). If you are an alcoholic but are sober then you get elevated to the schizophrenia level(0.2)...this was a scale from -10 to +10 most of the "normal" patients pulled a +5

but its still near the bottom right?
i get the forensic hospital one. thats almost like a given right?
ok so. then opiates. ok.

was there anything above +5?

this is all makes me very sad.

They didn't go into huge detail in the paper but what they said was there was basically a glass ceiling for the mental illnesses at +1...they didn't mention anything above +5 and that was for Christianity so make of that what you will but basically all of the mental illnesses clustered near the bottom...

Oh wow, I didn't know there was actually a study on this. I was just going off of my experience. Could you share the link?

Ok sorry I can't find it anymore...I didn't link it because it's behind a journal paywall that my university subscribes to so I didn't think anyone would be able to access it anyway...if it's still open at work I'll provide the link on Monday.