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Not sure what to make of this editorial. Is he hinting we need to go back to more hospitalization?
I'd never heard of that book he mentions. I looked at the reviews on amazon, and they seem to indicate the author lays some blame on the parents for their daughter's condition. I'll have to get a copy and read it. Quote:
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I took from this that things have gotten worse, not that they need to hospitalize more. It mentions these days the jails are filling beds with ones with issues . I'd have to agree and I'd have to agree it's not the proper place for treatment with mental illness. That's not saying to hospitalize everyone in these cases, its asking to provide the correct and though treatment that should be given for one with difficulties to live a better life.
Perhaps I'm missing something, it is after all the end of my day.
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hmm a strange one to be sure, it does seem to suggest that the author would have the old ways of long term hospitalization.
A sad case to hear about for sure, and i do believe that somethings have not really changed, i.e the lack of aftercare for extreme cases and and sufferers not taking their medication. It does bring up a point that should be noted i think, that we don't always get the care we need, but to say it's worse than it used to be imo is just not true, I came through pretty bad psychosis but if this were the early 60's i would probably have spent years in a ward and not gotten the modern treatment i did. pretty scary when i think of it that way to be sure. thanks for the article it was an interesting read ![]()
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i know from personal experience that in the last year or so only have things changed for the better, maybe because the hospital stay i last had a few months ago was better than any other one i've had, i was in hospital pshyc wards several times fro 1980's to 2013. I have to say i am now clear headed enough and realized i really needed it. I am doing so much better now. I still have my good days and bad days. i hope everyone here can come as far as i have i couldn't have done it without my doc and t although. i would like to thank everyone that had helped me throughout the years too.
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I think this is an incredibly difficult thing to deal with....clearly there are people who don't need to be in the hospital who probably were....for example this woman who was depressed because her son was killed was involuntary held inpatient even in today's climate...
Grieving mom is held against her will, but still billed I can't help but wonder if there are more long term hospital beds then they will be filled whether necessary or not...certainly it's easier to warehouse people than to actually care. At the same time 30% of people with sz don't respond to meds...what to do...I simply cannot believe hospitalization is the right approach because meds are not the correct approach for this group...what I would like to see is communities of people living independently but with community support...why not give people apartments...their own space but with proximal meal services and basic cleaning services with day programs near by all for some rate which can be afforded by someone on disability....I'm talking basic human services not medication management. Considering the rate for intensive nursing and the cost of meds I actually think this non-medicalized support model would be less expensive than more hospital beds. Have these kinds of communities spread across the country in both urban and rural areas so people have a choice of their preferred location. But the only locks will be the ones you personally close to keep the world out for a time. I debated whether to add this or not but I think one additional clause might be something along a three strikes policy for drug use resulting in a ban unless rehab is completed. There is apparently a sub-population of people that have been diagnosed with sz that are heavy drug users....the bulk of violence associated with sz patients is in fact due to dual diagnosis of drug abuse and sz....people with sz are not statistically more violent on average but when you add drug use it is three times the baseline level(28%). In order for such centers to thrive in decent neighborhoods I think drug users would have to be excluded from this type of low intervention facility. There is also a much greater stigma to drug use so community acceptance would be even lower...it seems heartless to me because they too have a problem but I imagine there are other interventions which might be more appropriate more along the lines of a rehab facility which should also be supported. So that is what I would do...and the money for this should be taken from medicare/caid because it is cheaper to house and not hospitalize and uselessly treat.
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