[HelpMe15yo]

Hi

I have been feeling a little down for some years now. I could feel something coming slowly, but I was assure whether I was just tired or not. It started to get more serious when I 5 months ago started getting chest pain, but doctor couldn't find anything. I was SURE that I had gotten cancer. I knew that I was gonna die at some point. Then I started to get more tired. I started to get sleep paralysis. At day I would feel super unreal - having a hard time thinking that other people also is in their own body. When I look in the mirror, I don't recognize myself. Then I started to feel more and more tired. No matter how much I slept, I felt so tired. Then it got Christmas, and I felt super bad. Unfortunately I was stupid and ended up smoking some weed and eating a brownie on New Years Eve. After that everything has changed. I don't really remember how things were before. Now I am so tired that I feel faint all the time. Sometimes when I stand up, I get so dizzy that I am almost falling. I wake up every night in my REM sleep, which is super uncomfortable. It gives me a weird tingly feel in my whole body when I wake up. It feels like some kind of electro-pulse that is going through my whole body, when it tingles. It has taken over my every day I feel sad constantly. It's gone worse. I am starting to actually believe that there is people spying on me with cams in my room and restroom. I don't feel comfortable being there anymore. When people walk by, I just really feel like they are gonna hurt me usually. It's like I can see it in their faces. They look at me with wide open eyes and looks at me this super frightening way. Then they just walk by. Something inside me knows it's just a thought. But my hearts starts racing everytime and I get dizzy... I got taken a blood test. My doctors thought I was addicted to amphetamine, which I am not at all (I am not addicted to any drtugs - and have only smoked / eaten weed that one night). I get a very scary attack where it feels like things happen again, like if I reach out with my arm, it goes back, and reaches forward again. I think I hear my parents call for me a lot. I don't hallucinate. I think, at least... I am constantly dizzy. I get irritated very easily. It feels very strange during those attacks. I also usually have a hard time to talk under those attacks. I don't have energy to do anything anymore. I sometimes think that if I kill myself, nothing is gonna happen, because it feels to dream/nightmare-like anyways. My skin sometimes burn on the outer skin. Sometimes it's not hot when I ask my friends to touch it. It's like my bones are freezing on the inside, but skin burns on the outside. I don't really feel it that much anymore when I pinch myself. I am very sensitive to light, and my ears have recently started to get a ringing noise inside them. It feels like you're in a train that goes through a tunnel - it's like a pressure in the ear. I seriously can't believe that this is real life. And sometimes I wonder if this is how it always felt... I sometimes also wonder if this is how everyone feels... Because that's how I have felt the most of my life. My friends and family think I act as normal, but really I know I don't. It's super, super scary - and I know that something is grusomely, grusomely wrong.

I made a simulation video of when I wake up at night, getting one of these weird attacks. I made the video myself and it's very accurate.

PM for link

Please help me! Do you have any clue what it is? My doctor says that it's not sure it's psychosis because I deep down know that most of my delusions are thoughts. It makes me feel worse when people don't think something is wrong, because I KNOW, I FEEL that something is seriously off!

I hope you guys respond soon

Thanks

[Sometimes psychotic]

I would listen to your doctor....when I was psychotic I had no idea anything was wrong at all. It didn't feel off or weird---but people around me thought I was acting weird. This is the opposite of what you've described.

[HelpMe15yo]

Originally Posted by Sometimes psychotic

I would listen to your doctor....when I was psychotic I had no idea anything was wrong at all. It didn't feel off or weird---but people around me thought I was acting weird. This is the opposite of what you've described.

Hi, that's true. But what else could it be, since it's permanent and have many psychosis symptoms? Is there anything like it?

[HelpMe15yo]

You're probably right, but what is it then?

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by HelpMe15yo

You're probably right, but what is it then?

We can't diagnose you on here....you need to talk to a professional....what does your doctor think it is if anything?

[HelpMe15yo]

She didn't say that. That's why I hoped that you had an idea Just an idea, so I could have something in mind. It feels rly bad not to know what it is

[Victoria'smom]

I know that I'm wrong when delusional but it feels so true I can't shake it. You need to see a psychologist to really dx you.

[HelpMe15yo]

Just a headsup, my doctor is just not sure that it's psychosis. Please give me some suggestions what else it could be! Would ease my mind

[Yoda]

I am not saying that this is what is happening with you but some of what you describe (not all) is similar to the dissociation that I have felt at times. Mine was brought on by stress, I think. Not dissociation as like the people who have multiple personalities but a mind-body disconnect.

I also have continual fatigue no matter how much I sleep but in my case I think my sleep apnea is part of it and unhealthy diet and exercise contribute. But there are many causes of fatigue.

Anxiety is a cause of chest pain. That can be scary. I've had that too.

Sometimes it is not clear what the diagnosis is. It takes time. I hope that you trust your doctor.

You say you feel a little down lately. Anything particular troubling you?=

I hope you and your health professionals can help you identify the cause(s) of what ails you so you can get some help.

Keep us updated on your progress.

[Dickie1958]

Originally Posted by HelpMe15yo

Hi

I have been feeling a little down for some years now. I could feel something coming slowly, but I was assure whether I was just tired or not. It started to get more serious when I 5 months ago started getting chest pain, but doctor couldn't find anything. I was SURE that I had gotten cancer. I knew that I was gonna die at some point. Then I started to get more tired. I started to get sleep paralysis. At day I would feel super unreal - having a hard time thinking that other people also is in their own body. When I look in the mirror, I don't recognize myself. Then I started to feel more and more tired. No matter how much I slept, I felt so tired. Then it got Christmas, and I felt super bad. Unfortunately I was stupid and ended up smoking some weed and eating a brownie on New Years Eve. After that everything has changed. I don't really remember how things were before. Now I am so tired that I feel faint all the time. Sometimes when I stand up, I get so dizzy that I am almost falling. I wake up every night in my REM sleep, which is super uncomfortable. It gives me a weird tingly feel in my whole body when I wake up. It feels like some kind of electro-pulse that is going through my whole body, when it tingles. It has taken over my every day I feel sad constantly. It's gone worse. I am starting to actually believe that there is people spying on me with cams in my room and restroom. I don't feel comfortable being there anymore. When people walk by, I just really feel like they are gonna hurt me usually. It's like I can see it in their faces. They look at me with wide open eyes and looks at me this super frightening way. Then they just walk by. Something inside me knows it's just a thought. But my hearts starts racing everytime and I get dizzy... I got taken a blood test. My doctors thought I was addicted to amphetamine, which I am not at all (I am not addicted to any drtugs - and have only smoked / eaten weed that one night). I get a very scary attack where it feels like things happen again, like if I reach out with my arm, it goes back, and reaches forward again. I think I hear my parents call for me a lot. I don't hallucinate. I think, at least... I am constantly dizzy. I get irritated very easily. It feels very strange during those attacks. I also usually have a hard time to talk under those attacks. I don't have energy to do anything anymore. I sometimes think that if I kill myself, nothing is gonna happen, because it feels to dream/nightmare-like anyways. My skin sometimes burn on the outer skin. Sometimes it's not hot when I ask my friends to touch it. It's like my bones are freezing on the inside, but skin burns on the outside. I don't really feel it that much anymore when I pinch myself. I am very sensitive to light, and my ears have recently started to get a ringing noise inside them. It feels like you're in a train that goes through a tunnel - it's like a pressure in the ear. I seriously can't believe that this is real life. And sometimes I wonder if this is how it always felt... I sometimes also wonder if this is how everyone feels... Because that's how I have felt the most of my life. My friends and family think I act as normal, but really I know I don't. It's super, super scary - and I know that something is grusomely, grusomely wrong.

I made a simulation video of when I wake up at night, getting one of these weird attacks. I made the video myself and it's very accurate.

PM for link

Please help me! Do you have any clue what it is? My doctor says that it's not sure it's psychosis because I deep down know that most of my delusions are thoughts. It makes me feel worse when people don't think something is wrong, because I KNOW, I FEEL that something is seriously off!

I hope you guys respond soon

Thanks

Make sure you get a thorough psych-neurological evaluation. Especially neurological. You are generally way too young for psychosis.

[HelpMe15yo]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I am not saying that this is what is happening with you but some of what you describe (not all) is similar to the dissociation that I have felt at times. Mine was brought on by stress, I think. Not dissociation as like the people who have multiple personalities but a mind-body disconnect.

I also have continual fatigue no matter how much I sleep but in my case I think my sleep apnea is part of it and unhealthy diet and exercise contribute. But there are many causes of fatigue.

Anxiety is a cause of chest pain. That can be scary. I've had that too.

Sometimes it is not clear what the diagnosis is. It takes time. I hope that you trust your doctor.

You say you feel a little down lately. Anything particular troubling you?=

I hope you and your health professionals can help you identify the cause(s) of what ails you so you can get some help.

Keep us updated on your progress.

Thanks man, that was really nice It honestly made me feel better

Could be some sort of dissocation.

I have an appoint next friday, that's when I will know more. Thanks man! Hug given

[HelpMe15yo]

Originally Posted by Dickie1958

Make sure you get a thorough psych-neurological evaluation. Especially neurological. You are generally way too young for psychosis.

Not if I've been suffering from depression undiagnosed the most of my life, and been unstable - afterwards eating lots of hashcakes and smoke weed. Still, could be. At least developing

[PointOfNoReturn]

Originally Posted by HelpMe15yo

Not if I've been suffering from depression undiagnosed the most of my life, and been unstable - afterwards eating lots of hashcakes and smoke weed. Still, could be. At least developing

I think what they are saying is that you will still be a big deviation from the norm, although possible, it is very unlikely statistically

[lorax177]

Could be a conversion disorder or maybe it has to do with a medical condition? Maybe temporal lobe epilepsy? Or a sleep disorder?

[Shoe]

Originally Posted by HelpMe15yo

Just a headsup, my doctor is just not sure that it's psychosis. Please give me some suggestions what else it could be! Would ease my mind

Some of the symptoms around sleep you are describing sounds similar to sleep paralysis. Once I started to learn more about it, I started to get a better handle on the fear that goes along with it.

Originally Posted by HelpMe15yo

Hi

I have been feeling a little down for some years now. I could feel something coming slowly, but I was assure whether I was just tired or not. It started to get more serious when I 5 months ago started getting chest pain, but doctor couldn't find anything. I was SURE that I had gotten cancer. I knew that I was gonna die at some point. Then I started to get more tired. I started to get sleep paralysis. At day I would feel super unreal - having a hard time thinking that other people also is in their own body. When I look in the mirror, I don't recognize myself. Then I started to feel more and more tired. No matter how much I slept, I felt so tired. Then it got Christmas, and I felt super bad. Unfortunately I was stupid and ended up smoking some weed and eating a brownie on New Years Eve. After that everything has changed. I don't really remember how things were before. Now I am so tired that I feel faint all the time. Sometimes when I stand up, I get so dizzy that I am almost falling. I wake up every night in my REM sleep, which is super uncomfortable. It gives me a weird tingly feel in my whole body when I wake up. It feels like some kind of electro-pulse that is going through my whole body, when it tingles. It has taken over my every day I feel sad constantly. It's gone worse. I am starting to actually believe that there is people spying on me with cams in my room and restroom. I don't feel comfortable being there anymore. When people walk by, I just really feel like they are gonna hurt me usually. It's like I can see it in their faces. They look at me with wide open eyes and looks at me this super frightening way. Then they just walk by. Something inside me knows it's just a thought. But my hearts starts racing everytime and I get dizzy... I got taken a blood test. My doctors thought I was addicted to amphetamine, which I am not at all (I am not addicted to any drtugs - and have only smoked / eaten weed that one night). I get a very scary attack where it feels like things happen again, like if I reach out with my arm, it goes back, and reaches forward again. I think I hear my parents call for me a lot. I don't hallucinate. I think, at least... I am constantly dizzy. I get irritated very easily. It feels very strange during those attacks. I also usually have a hard time to talk under those attacks. I don't have energy to do anything anymore. I sometimes think that if I kill myself, nothing is gonna happen, because it feels to dream/nightmare-like anyways. My skin sometimes burn on the outer skin. Sometimes it's not hot when I ask my friends to touch it. It's like my bones are freezing on the inside, but skin burns on the outside. I don't really feel it that much anymore when I pinch myself. I am very sensitive to light, and my ears have recently started to get a ringing noise inside them. It feels like you're in a train that goes through a tunnel - it's like a pressure in the ear. I seriously can't believe that this is real life. And sometimes I wonder if this is how it always felt... I sometimes also wonder if this is how everyone feels... Because that's how I have felt the most of my life. My friends and family think I act as normal, but really I know I don't. It's super, super scary - and I know that something is grusomely, grusomely wrong.

I made a simulation video of when I wake up at night, getting one of these weird attacks. I made the video myself and it's very accurate.

PM for link

Please help me! Do you have any clue what it is? My doctor says that it's not sure it's psychosis because I deep down know that most of my delusions are thoughts. It makes me feel worse when people don't think something is wrong, because I KNOW, I FEEL that something is seriously off!

I hope you guys respond soon

Thanks

Simple , YOUR DEPRESSED AND SUFFERING ANXIETY. AND

THESE THINGS CAN BE TREATED. AND

DON'T WORRY SO MUCH

all the best.

[HelpMe15yo]

UPDATE: It was psychosis 2nd generation psychosis.

Originally Posted by HelpMe15yo

UPDATE: It was psychosis 2nd generation psychosis.

Whats 2nd Generation? Never heard of this , heard of 2nd generation with regard to meds. Cool , at least you know what it is, were you talking to a pdoc?

Originally Posted by Materly

Whats 2nd Generation? Never heard of this , heard of 2nd generation with regard to meds. Cool , at least you know what it is, were you talking to a pdoc?

pseudo, borderline or quasi psychosis. Not true psychosis. Most people have this. Doesn't have the same longevity or intensity of true psychosis.

[PointOfNoReturn]

Originally Posted by HelpMe15yo

UPDATE: It was psychosis 2nd generation psychosis.

why does that make you smile?

Originally Posted by chickenfoot

pseudo, borderline or quasi psychosis. Not true psychosis. Most people have this. Doesn't have the same longevity or intensity of true psychosis.

I've never heard of '2nd generation psychosis' before and couldn't find anything on a quick google search. I'm curious about it - do you have a link or reference I could look at for more info? Thanks!

*Willow*

Originally Posted by WeepingWillow23

I've never heard of '2nd generation psychosis' before and couldn't find anything on a quick google search. I'm curious about it - do you have a link or reference I could look at for more info? Thanks!

*Willow*

It's basically the form of psychosis people with personality disorders experience. As a teen when it was assumed I had a personality disorder (BPD also known as angsty teenager) my "hallucinations" were considered second generation or pseudo/quasi psychosis. This was true as now that I actually hear voices (outside of my head consistently) the experiences I have are much different. In my 20's I was diagnosed with Bipolar and psychosis.

I got copies of my file held by the clinic I attended as a teen and the hospital I attend now and the notes from when I was a teen mention pseudo or quasi psychosis whereas my later notes simply mention psychosis.

Psychiatrists use these terms constantly without informing the patient, if you get your notes and it mentions quasi/pseudo/second generation psychosis, then they think you have BPD.

Originally Posted by chickenfoot

It's basically the form of psychosis people with personality disorders experience. As a teen when it was assumed I had a personality disorder (BPD also known as angsty teenager) my "hallucinations" were considered second generation or pseudo/quasi psychosis. This was true as now that I actually hear voices (outside of my head consistently) the experiences I have are much different. In my 20's I was diagnosed with Bipolar and psychosis.

I got copies of my file held by the clinic I attended as a teen and the hospital I attend now and the notes from when I was a teen mention pseudo or quasi psychosis whereas my later notes simply mention psychosis.

Psychiatrists use these terms constantly without informing the patient, if you get your notes and it mentions quasi/pseudo/second generation psychosis, then they think you have BPD.

Thanks for this. I've heard of pseudo- or quasi-psychosis in personality disorders etc, but why is it also called 'second generation' i.e. what does that supposedly mean?

I guess that I'm also confused because I've read that a lot of people who have 'proper' auditory hallucinations (outside of their head), also have what they call 'pseudohallucinations' (inside the head) too, and that there wasn't anything diagnostically remarkable about that. I get how that might be diagnostically different from when it is consistently inside one's head...I guess I'm wondering what the phenomenological differences are between psychosis and pseudopsychosis, other than duration (cos in PDs, I'm led to believe that it's very transient)??

Sorry Chickenfoot, I'm not expecting you to know all of the answers...I'm more pondering out loud and asking questions to everyone who might know.

*Willow*

Originally Posted by WeepingWillow23

Thanks for this. I've heard of pseudo- or quasi-psychosis in personality disorders etc, but why is it also called 'second generation' i.e. what does that supposedly mean?

I guess that I'm also confused because I've read that a lot of people who have 'proper' auditory hallucinations (outside of their head), also have what they call 'pseudohallucinations' (inside the head) too, and that there wasn't anything diagnostically remarkable about that. I get how that might be diagnostically different from when it is consistently inside one's head...I guess I'm wondering what the phenomenological differences are between psychosis and pseudopsychosis, other than duration (cos in PDs, I'm led to believe that it's very transient)??

Sorry Chickenfoot, I'm not expecting you to know all of the answers...I'm more pondering out loud and asking questions to everyone who might know.

*Willow*

My understanding is the "psychosis" is secondary to personality disorder symptoms. Hence the name second generation psychosis. It is also not a psychotic disorder or Axis 1 disorder so one cannot be detained for second generation psychotic symptoms.

I believe duration and intensity are the main factors that differentiate psychosis from "psychosis".

Going by these prerequisites and what I see on these forums, quasi psychosis is quite prevalent and I believe the difference is not recognised well enough among psychiatrists.