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Old Feb 22, 2015, 03:48 PM
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Skeez, I am very thankful to be invited to participate in this Circle of Trust, the public and private.

I respect the principles that you have excerpted from Circles of Trust. I think having a public and private social group gives the best of both worlds.

I hope to make at least the first half hour of the Monday meeting at 11EST although I do have an appointment that necessitates me leaving shortly after 11:30.

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I've begun re-reading Parker Palmer's book: A Hidden Wholeness. I have to admit that I find I cannot read his writings too frequently, or too many times.

What has occurred to me, just today, is that for any of us who may continue to be interested in the idea of creating on-line "circles of trust", what may be of primary importance right now is for us to keep actively sharing our insights with regard to what a circle of trust is & how it functions. Then later on, when any of us who stick with it feel it is time, we can consider the possibility of actually attempting one ourselves.

With this thought in mind it occurs to me that we might consider, at this point in time, creating a "Circles of Trust" social group... one where membership would be by invitation only... such as various other social groups here on PC are set up. I don't know how this is done. But it obviously can be, since there are other social groups set up in this fashion. Our postings on the topic of circles of trust would be readable by others. However, only members would be able to post. My feeling is, we would not want people who don't know anything about the "circle of trust" concept, throwing their two cents in. This would at best be a distraction, & at worst a disruption.

Having offered that suggestion, I thought I would also offer a few lines from: A Hidden Wholeness that have stood out to me as I have begun re-reading the book:

"Wholeness does not mean perfection: it means embracing brokenness as an integral part of life... we can use devastation as a seedbed for new life." (Pg. 5) (Pema Chödrön could not have said it better!)

"... the singular intent of a circle of trust: to make it safe for the soul to show up and offer us it's guidance." (Pg. 22)

"... a circle of trust is not defined by numbers; it is defined by the nature of the space it creates between us. (Pgs. 28 & 29)

"A circle of trust can form wherever two or three are gathered-- as long as those two or three know how to create and protect a space for the soul."(Pg. 29) ("... there is love... [?])

"... the two key principles behind (circles of trust): that the soul or true self is real and powerful and that the soul can feel safe only in relationships that possess certain qualities." (Pg. 29)

"Philosophers haggle about what to call this core of our humanity, but I am no stickler for precision. Thomas Merton called it true self. Buddhists call it original nature or big self. Quakers call it the inner teacher or the inner light. Hasidic Jews call it a spark of the divine. Humanists call it identity and integrity. In popular parlance, people often call it the soul." (Pg. 33)

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Old Feb 22, 2015, 04:15 PM
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The Skeezyks, I have not read the book so am not in a position to join the group. The ideas presented sound intriguing though.
Me, too, but in April I'll have time to delve into it, and I hope it won't be too late to join at that point. Sounds interesting and some principles I'm already aware of. I've also been to a Quaker-led meeting once, and I thought it was pretty neat.

Thanks for posting this, Skeezyks.
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Me, too, but in April I'll have time to delve into it, and I hope it won't be too late to join at that point. Sounds interesting and some principles I'm already aware of. I've also been to a Quaker-led meeting once, and I thought it was pretty neat.

Thanks for posting this, Skeezyks.
Hello H3rmit: Thanks for you comment! I can't speak for others, of course. But from my perspective, this is a long-term endeavor. It is more important that it be done correctly than that it occur quickly. There are fairly specific guidelines for the implementation & functioning of a circle of trust. And I think, if we're going to do this, these guidelines need to be respected, especially in the early stages while we're still figuring out how this can work on-line (assuming it can.) So April is certainly not too late, by any means... glad to have you aboard!
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Hope all is well with everyone. I'm currently re-reading A Hidden Wholeness, the book in which Parker Palmer describes how a circle of trust works. I plan to post additional quotes from the book, with regard to this, as I continue to read.
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Old Feb 22, 2015, 07:19 PM
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Thanks... I'll need to give all of this some thought!
A scheduling idea, if real time interaction is of importance, which it does seem to be - presence . . .

1/ People post their own times they would like to meet. Here's one free online tool that simplifies a group doing this:

Easy scheduling | Doodle

After people have done that, it should become apparent where the overlaps are, and then decisions can be made as to whether one meeting suffices for everyone, or perhaps 2 or 3 different groups are needed, say each with set participants, perhaps.

2/ Online meeting systems can be used for meetings, with our without webcams. Obviously faces provide rich information when people speak, and equally obviously some people don't want their face or perhaps even voice, shown. Depends how you define "online" for the purposes of your meeting.

Skype, I believe can be used for group meetings, and Google hangout for sure. I gave seen hubby using this for work. He says it's easy, but warns you'll need fake Google+plus account, because Google tracks you and insists on a lot of personal info if you use Google+, so there are issues to consider there.

So, an attempt to provide some technical info that might be relevant to the problem at hand. As I won't be in the group at the start, I have no horse in this race.

Edit: having read the last few posts, I see there is already a time and place for the moment, but I'll leave this here for any future use it might have.
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A scheduling idea, if real time interaction is of importance, which it does seem to be - presence . . .

1/ People post their own times they would like to meet. Here's one free online tool that simplifies a group doing this:

Easy scheduling | Doodle

After people have done that, it should become apparent where the overlaps are, and then decisions can be made as to whether one meeting suffices for everyone, or perhaps 2 or 3 different groups are needed, say each with set participants, perhaps.

2/ Online meeting systems can be used for meetings, with our without webcams. Obviously faces provide rich information when people speak, and equally obviously some people don't want their face or perhaps even voice, shown. Depends how you define "online" for the purposes of your meeting.

Skype, I believe can be used for group meetings, and Google hangout for sure. I gave seen hubby using this for work. He says it's easy, but warns you'll need fake Google+plus account, because Google tracks you and insists on a lot of personal info if you use Google+, so there are issues to consider there.

So, an attempt to provide some technical info that might be relevant to the problem at hand. As I won't be in the group at the start, I have no horse in this race.

Edit: having read the last few posts, I see there is already a time and place for the moment, but I'll leave this here for any future use it might have.
Thanks for this, H3rmit... clearly there are many things to be considered here! And many different possibilities / options as well. Perhaps we will find that instead of reeling in a sunfish... we've actually hooked a whale!
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Skeezyks (and others,)

As we're trying to figure out how to proceed -- I very much agree with the idea of going slowly and getting it right, rather than rushing in for immediate gratification -- I wonder if it would be helpful to us to discuss each of the separate principles and practices in the forum or in chat.

For example, as I look at the first principle as it's listed, I can see lots of area of discussion and learning and understanding each other's personal points-of-view.
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Everyone has an inner teacher.

Every person has access to an inner source of truth, named in various wisdom traditions as identity, true self, heart, spirit or soul. The inner teacher is a source of guidance and strength that helps us find our way through life’s complexities and challenges. Circles of Trust give people a chance to listen to this source, learn from it and discover its imperatives for their work and their lives.

The concept of the inner teacher can be taken literally or metaphorically, we can have a sense of immediate access or it can be buried, it can speak to us in every day life or in our dreams. Maybe we hear it and ignore it or maybe we hear Ego demands and mistake them for wisdom. So many possibilities. It would be fascinating to discover if we're on the same wavelength with this basic principle or if we're left saying, huh?

Does anyone else have interest in discussing the basic principles?
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Old Feb 24, 2015, 06:38 PM
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i have been thinking about this all day,,, and it occurs to me that if we are to provide a safe place to introspect and interact, we must focus on becoming the kind of person who has those skills. i know i need to work on them myself.

how does one refrain from being the unskillful self ? how does one recognize when a mis-step has been made. what does one do with that information ? this group is more than just a place to feel safe, and learn to trust others; it is a place to learn to see oneself and trust in the stillness within.
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I have what might be a dumb question. Is the point of the group to learn to trust or do we need to trust from the get-go?

I am not a trusting person. I PM'd Gus to say I have to think about this whole thing before joining the groups. It's not that I don't trust y'all, I just don't trust - period. Have I got the cart before the horse about the groups?

I got Palmer's book from the library over the weekend, but have not had a chance to start reading it yet. We have to have read the book before joining the group, right?
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lizardlady, you raised good issues.

Right now, for me, I'm thinking of it as an opportunity to learn to listen to and trust my Inner Teacher more, with the company of other well-meaning people in a safe and inviting environment. Also as a way to encourage others to trust their own inner teacher if that's something they want to do.

I can state my view of trust in this situation using negatives -- I don't "not trust" anyone here. Everyone has been very nice and supportive. If someone inadvertently said something I took the wrong way, I feel it would be easy to let it go. That would be something I'd want to work on if it bothered me. If someone was in a grumpy mood and said some critical things because they felt annoyed, I think it would be easy to let that go, too. If it bothered me a lot, I'd work on that within myself.

I like the various participants. I feel no distrust. Will levels of trust increase? No idea. For me, feeling no active distrust of any of the participants or the environment here feels like a good place to start.

I'm probably a little bit like you, lizardlady. I would not describe myself as a trusting person. But I don't expect anyone here to act out, act mean, steal my account information, attack me, etc etc. If anything like that did happen, I'd deal with it at the time. But so far, in my time at Psych Central, people have behaved well most of the time and those few times when people did get upset ... well, they were upset. That's something I can forgive as long as people settle back down again. If it bothers me a lot, that's something for me to work on within myself.

The Principle and Practices of the Circles of Trust provide a structure that reinforces and amplifies the guidelines of Psych Central as a place to offer support and information to people with mental health concerns. I see it as very compatible. Because we all come here with various levels of emotional intensity or symptoms or home environments we may all have moments when fail to live up to the Principles and Practices. We're all human. So far I'm feeling no distrust. So I feel okay about it.
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Old Feb 25, 2015, 08:40 PM
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I'm just thinking back to one of Skeezyks' posts above, "wholeness does not mean perfection." I don't think trust means that you think the other person is going to be perfect, either. I'm not very trusting, but I'm open to uncertainty, and other people and their points of view always bring uncertainty. But only in uncertainty can we find new things. I can trust that and take those risks of discomfort. It doesn't cross into unsafety, so to speak.

Disclaimer: while I've looked at the site linked above and read all the posts, I haven't studied the book, yet.
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these are the signs of a spiritual life, i have come to believe:

“Relational trust is built on movements of the human heart such as empathy, commitment, compassion, patience, and the capacity to forgive.”
― Parker J. Palmer, The Courage to Teach: Exploring the Inner Landscape of a Teacher's Life
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Hey, whatever happened with this project? Did a chat room ever happen? Anyone know?
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