Daimonosexuality and other out-of-body orientations

Moriah (a.k.a. Malady) happens to be daimonosexual. This means its sexual orientation would not be toward humans of either gender but toward trans-dimensional entities, specifically those of the darkside persuasion.

Just thought it would start a thread for others with this or similar orientations, orientations that fall outside the fleshling spectrum. So if you experience sexual encounters with either demons, angels, ghosts, or aliens, etc. and have a particular orientation toward them, namely, a preference and sexual imprinting that causes primary sexual attraction to form toward them rather than humans, feel free to post here and come out of the Woo-Kink Closet.

This thread will NOT be for discussing whether or not said entities or types of entities bes "real" from an ontological standpoint though from a psychoanalytic and therapeutic standpoint (Jungian in particular), this will be tolerated to some degree. Also, please do NOT be an arsehole in this thread. Do NOT make fun of anyone else's experience, PERIOD, or your posts WILL be reported.

Also if you have unusual paraphilias, such as sexual arousal from certain words or types of words, images, or concepts, particularly those having to do with religion or anything supernatural, feel free to unburden yourself here as well.

And if nobody else has similar orientations or finds the subject of interest for discussing, that bes fine too. Just thought it would put this out there.

First Open Encounter.



Moriah (Malady156) has had a connection to the Abyss since the age of 3 (long story) and this has always had dark and sinister sexual overtones. However, its first experience of openly being seduced and ravished by Lucifer/Shaitan did not occur until the age of 18, when it had been (believe it or not) about to begin its junior year as a theology major at a rather conservative Christian college. (It started college at 16.)

After so many things had transpired to "shipwreck" its faith, by the time it came back to school for its junior year at the end of summer, it no longer even knew what bes it doing there at all. The first or second afternoon back it had laid down, intending to nap, in the summer heat. The blasting A/C offered no relief, and it shifted about trying to get comfortable enough to doze off, but the sun kept getting in its eyes and irritating.

After a few moments, there bes this stirring in the air, and suddenly a presence. Nothing visible, but utterly palpable, you could cut the atmosphere with a knife. It felt this incredible rushing sensation build from the base of its spine up through its solar plexus and out somewhere between the chest and the throat while some of it continued upward and into its brain like searing flames. Moriah found itself gasping for air, having been immediately thrown into a mind blowing orgasm without either a visible sex partner or the use of its own hands. And it heard Him at that moment, His voice like the hissing of something lined with blazing coals, saying, "Worship Me!"

Time stopped.

Moriah tries desperately to shake herself from the devouring swoon of orgasmic waves. "Oh no. No, no, no. NO. No way, just no way. No matter how bad things get, no matter how many sins I am driven to commit, this one thing I will NEVER do," she says defiantly. "I will NEVER worship you, Satan. NEVER!!!"

Well He just gazes down at her calmly licking His lips as if tasting His next words thoughtfully. She can feel His gaze penetrating her, stripping her soul and spirit naked before Him, naked and trembling with anticipation and bewilderment, and marveled that she seemed unmarred by fear. "Don't you realize, that by virtue of the way you have been living your life, you have placed yourself under My power?" He meant, of course, her failure to overcome either habitual sins wrestled with in earnest, or perhaps even to withstand this present trial. "I could destroy you if I wanted ..." he continued, "but I don't want to. Worship Me, and I won't destroy you."

Moriah gazes into the air where she feels Him, stunned at the implacability of His simple logic against which she has no valid refutation to offer. Yet nevertheless, she refuses still, remaining defiant, shaking her head vehemently as a sudden awareness seeming to offer an exit presents itself. "Uh-uh. No way. You tried the same thing on Eve in the Garden of Eden, and I'm not buying it."

So the Serpent decides to show her Who bes Master, yeah? And He reaches down and touches Moriah again, setting off searing torrents of liquid fire deep in her inner organs, between her thighs, low in her belly, so that her body writhes and convulses helplessly with pleasure, and there concludes His pitch. "You WILL worship Me. One day. Soon. And you know you will, because you want to. And you know you want to because you can feel it."

And with that, the air "stirs" again, and He departs. As suddenly as He'd entered the room, He vanishes from it, and His Presence disappears.

Well as it has told you, Moriah had been a theology major and a rather devout little Christian believer at the time, but everything from its 2 years at that school had about wrecked and ruined all that. Nevertheless, as if with one last ditch effort, Moriah instinctively slid weakly to the floor upon its knees, crouching over the side of the bed to fold its hands in prayer. And in a hollow voice, the only voice it can muster at that point, it asks this question: "Oh God, has it truly come to this? Are You abandoning me to Satan now??" Scarcely could it believe the thought; it felt numb, incredulous. It told God, "you heard what He said -- Moriah DOES feel it -- and cannot help this!! He MAKES Moriah feel this!! It has no way to resist that which seems to arise from the core of its own being!! If you don't intervene and help, it WILL end up worshiping Him!!!"

But its prayer bes to no avail, see, because there on its knees Moriah becomes very much aware that it should feel shame, or guilt, or terror, or horror, or repulsion, or urgency, or something -- but it cannot. It cannot feel any of these things, because it cannot get past the overwhelming sensation of what it DOES feel, in tremendous waves it cannot deny:

RELIEVED.

At last, the undeniable proof of everything that nobody would listen to when it cried out and complained in desperation. Or so it thought .....

I don't seem to, personally, but I recently re-encountered someone who wrote/drew (cartooned) very vividly about a closely related subject.

The specific comic (from the early 70s) is Binky Brown Meets the Holy Virgin Mary. It's out of print in its original form but has now been republished as part of Justin Green's Binky Brown Sampler.

From a review:
I give it five stars out of five:
* * * * *

Interesting. Not exactly the sort of thing it bes looksy for, but interesting nonetheless.

Comics, manga, anime, all tend to get into some weird things. Recall La Blue Girl having a critter of very interesting "tentacles" ... LOL

Malady/Moriah: It felt this incredible rushing sensation build from the base of its spine up through its solar plexus and out somewhere between the chest and the throat while some of it continued upward and into its brain like searing flames. Moriah found itself gasping for air, having been immediately thrown into a mind blowing orgasm without either a visible sex partner or the use of its own hands. ... So the Serpent decides to show her Who bes Master, yeah?

Strip out the voice and what you have is an experience that bears strong resemblance to a kundalini awakening.

Kundalini is a form of energy reputed to be coiled at the base of the spine. It's sometimes referred to as "serpent power" or "serpent fire" and is also associated with a feminine goddess (some suggest Sophia). When kundalini is awakened, it travels through the chakras, beginning with the base chakra located in the groin area and travelling upwards until it arrives at the head. In Eastern religions it can be a highly desired event. It's also associated with temporary forms of psychosis and can play a role in a "spiritual emergency".

I recall a period of time previous to my own "experience" when I had a very pleasant hum in my base chakra region for several weeks. If an orgasm was a 10, that "hum" ranged between 3 - 5. Surprisingly, I didn't feel any need to act on it. It was just there.

Lee Sannella (a doctor) has written a book about Kundalini energy called The Kundalini Experience: Psychosis or Transcendence?. It's available through amazon but I recall stumbling across a (free) PDF version on the net at one point. You may still be able to find it.

"Uh-uh. No way. You tried the same thing on Eve in the Garden of Eden, and I'm not buying it."

There is a Gnostic version that tells a different tale...

The song, Mysterious Ways by U2 features two snakes that I felt were a direct reference to kundalini. The song itself strikes me as a summary of the Rosarium Philosophorum.



See also:

• Kundalini - The Serpent Power
• The Chakra System

This thread will NOT be for discussing whether or not said entities or types of entities bes "real" from an ontological standpoint though from a psychoanalytic and therapeutic standpoint (Jungian in particular), this will be tolerated to some degree.

I don't have any clear thoughts in regard to the voice although in some of our earlier discussions I've suggested that the darker aspects of your daimon-lover could represent the negative animus. As an observation however, it occurs to me that if you have been a devout Christian and you have an experience like that -- an experience you had likely never heard of and therefore, had to come up with your own understanding -- something like that could really mess with a person's head.

Kundalini awakenings can go on for many years and are also associated with a number of complications. This page has some more info: Kundalini Complications

~ Namaste

Spirit-Emerge -- (love playin w/ your name like that)
yes, Moriah has noticed the parallels with Kundalini. Often trying to describe lahati it will be struck with the stark similarities between this and kundalini, too.

More on this a little later -- thanks for popping 'round the thread.

p.s. it will be checking out that link too, and places linking off that

Blast from the past moment....

When I made this post I thought you already knew about kundalini...

As an observation... I didn't increase the font on that term above. It just showed up that way so I left it that way.

~ Namaste

Oh yeah, in case it becomes relevant at some point...

Babe, my bag is Vampires.......been absolutely fascinated with them from a very young age.....despite the anthropological and sexual fascination, I see parallels with their "humanity" or struggle with humanity.......

Yep, I am ENTRANCED and often wonder what it would be like to encounter one in real life.......I would probably S%^T myself.......he he

Thanks for the thread babe.......

Just a note.......I LOVE fangs, but have to be illusive or mysterious.......must give me GOOSEBUMPS and I am not interested unless they belong to real vampire......hhhmmm this is delicious to talk about.......it is not something I usually divulge in real life(strict Roman Catholic upbringing) but my partner bought me a HUGE poster of a vampire for my bedroom.......yep, he is all cool......it is wonderful!

Sorry if this sounds contrite in light of what you have experienced Malady, but my obsession runs deep........and thanks for cluing me in to the name for it......very interesting.

I could talk about this FOREVER!!!! *dancing around* *woo hoo!!*

Wow lots to catch up on here! Thanks everyone for your input. Can't get to this today (because it wants to go through the responses when it has proper time to devote and today will be "busy") but it will mark this for later.

One comment for the meantime: Sp_Em, it has known about Kundalini for years, but only recently made any kind of mental connection between lahati and kundalini energies, in the past several years. Only from seeing your links and hearing about this through cultural osmosis did it start thinking about the paradigm of the "kundalini crisis" as having any bearing upon its original experiences, etc. But it has known about Kundalini itself for a long time; just never heard of the "crisis" phenom in that regard before.

I had never been able to put a name on it before but I have had sexual experiences (non consenual) with spirits. When I lived in a dorm (single- with no roommate) I would nap excessively due to a mixed episode in which I experienced severe depression but also racing thoughts and frightening hallucinations. On a few occasions I would get the distinct feeling that someone else was in the room standin next to me over my bed. To scared to look I would then feel the weight of their body pressing down on me, penetrating me. It would be over in a few minutes, but that was long enough. Completely confused and paranoid I went to the leasing office and had one of the largest emotional outburts I have ever had. I claimed that people working in the dorms had used a universal key to open my door and rape me and steal my things. I was shouting like a maniac (thats a technical term I believe ) and became destructive of dorm property (for which I was promptly billed for). A few days later I felt the same presence but with auditory hallucinations as well. They were telling me the only way to end thier assault was to kill myself. After a pathetic attempt I was hospitalized, had my meds switched and haven't been accosted by the presence since. I kind of miss them. Misery loves company I guess.

Malady: Only from seeing your links and hearing about this through cultural osmosis did it start thinking about the paradigm of the "kundalini crisis" as having any bearing upon its original experiences, etc.

It's been my experience that a.) we always need to go back to when everything began, and b.) there is nearly always a significant stressor in an individual's life previous to a fragmentation crisis that seriously challenges their sense of identity (ego). In terms of my own experience I think kundalini played a role but the effects may have been experienced differently. Kundalini is "supposed" to clear emotional blockages in the chakras as it moves through them and this can be physically painful. I know you've had plenty of that too.

Meantime, here's a link to two medically documented case of kundalini crisis.

There is plenty of information available on the net in regard to kundalini but one site I would recommend to you is El Collie's. If you're going to use google as a search engine it can sometimes help to use a search engine for a specific country. For example, since yoga is more commonly practiced in India, you might find more information on kundalini crises using http://www.google.co.in/

Thing being, when all this first happened, Moriah had not been practicing yoga or doing anything else of that nature. When it first happened Moriah had never heard of kundalini, and bes not doing anything to attempt to awaken it or raise it up. It came utterly spontaneous and in fact what it posted above (on page one) regarding its first open encounter with Lucifer/Satan had not been the first instance of this (spiritual rapture / astral orgasm / whatever) that it had ever experienced. The first time had actually occurred about a year prior to this, and had been precipitated by attempting to correctly pronounce the true name of God.

It had been riding in the car with its boyfriend at the time (both of us young & devoutly Christian back then -- he being about 5 or 6 years older, it thinks?) and it began doing this, following a conversation we'd been having on what people said to be the true way to pronounce it, etc. It almost sounds like a highly suggestible state sort of thing because during the course of the conversation one of the things that came up had been the notion that some said the right way to pronounce it (YHVH) would be very breathlessly as if in an orgasm, LOL. So when it started trying to pronounce the Tetragrammaton "perfectly" ... and ended up erupting in this spiritual orgasm (which took Moriah completely by surprise, it had no clue what bes happening, but interesting also that it had no negative association/connotation with it, eh?) naturally it (involuntarily) started gasping and moaning and such, and this totally freaked out its boyfriend, who pulled the car over to the side of the road, frantically asking if it bes OK (to which, rather "out of it", it responded, "yes, of course, why wouldn't I be?") and insisted on praying right then and there -- and when he started praying, he started praying in that distinct "praying against demons" kind of way.

And mind you, this bes long before any of the demonic phenomena had started up in Moriah's life. At that point it didn't think of things in those terms, and really, neither did its boyfriend -- he being QUITE far from the superstitious "devils under every rock" type -- so clearly witnessing this experience rattled him seriously.

Just a little reminder ...

I wouldn't think you'd have to practice yoga to have kundalini experiences -- though you might not call them that unless you heard of them through yoga.

We don't know, of course, which came first, kundalini experiences or yoga.

Sounds like your bf got seriously freaked out, is all -- "rattled", as you put it. The praying-against-demons was his response to that, but that wouldn't prove any actual demons were involved. (Actual?! Are demons actual, in my mind, or both? If I drop a brick on my toe, is the pain actual, in my mind, or both?)

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The question in red was written before I'd seen Moriah's little reminder. Ok, let's not answer it, then.

Hey FooZe, we can answer it. Moriah thinks the answer would be "both". Pain may exist in the mind but it also exists objectively and demonstrably as the flaring signals sent by nerve endings which have experienced injury.

You bes right though. At the time that particular incident happened (about age 17), Moriah did not think any demons to be involved at all. Matter of fact, but for the fact it knew his odd behavior came from a place of genuine loving concern (if a bit misguided), it felt downright annoyed at him for bulldozing over the experience, railroading it to a place Moriah didn't want it to go, trying to slap a label (and a negative one at that) onto it before Moriah even had a chance to figure out, sort out for itself, what it all meant. Y'know?

I do. Thanks, Moriah.

Two months ago thread...just read now...umm b/c just finished looking at your art work and tried for an hour to upload mine and so...well one thing led to another and here...we are (by the way, the art work made so much sense whereas 3 months ago we could not look, that is for another story...or not...)

This experience sounds like a somewhat similar experience we had. Back then, recently having devoted my like to God and living as holy a life as I knew to be possible there came across my life...something similar although less graphic or maybe less visual...not wanting every memory back that vividly...enough said.

Seems shortly thereafter there came a speaker or conference and they spoke of incubi and succubi. Fear infiltrated my being. I had been a good person. Umm, there were sessions to sign up for...ummm, taking authority, or casting out or some such and the like. Early child SA had also contributed to this, we are sure.

Name of speaker is on tip of my tongue but ....hmmm, nope...not yet..

.....so much to say...but no, this should be safe to talk about, here, in this thread. *sigh*

INCUBUS - A spirit or demon thought in medieval times to lie on sleeping persons, especially women, with whom it sought sexual intercourse.

SUCCUBUS - In folklore, a female demon thought to have sexual intercourse with sleeping men.

Above definitions came from Webster's Dictionary.

hmmm...if this is what they were, they did get removed as far as we can tell... .

This subject matter had not crossed my mind for sometime.

Thank you so much for the designs. "though I go to the depths of sheoul, even there your hand will guide me" We feel that hell.

Thanks for the courage to post and i thank me too.

“Science without religion is lame.
Religion without science is blind.”
Albert Einstein

okay...just to add...was so tired last evening but just to add:
still not able to upload art pieces, must be a different part does that...

This experience sounds like a somewhat similar experience we had. Back then, recently having devoted my like to God and living as holy a life as I knew to be possible there came across my life...something similar although less graphic or maybe less visual...not wanting every memory back that vividly...enough said.

This experience was not within the control of myself, as I knew self to be then.

Seems shortly thereafter there came a speaker or conference and they spoke of incubi and succubi. Fear infiltrated my being. I had been a good person. Umm, there were sessions to sign up for...ummm, taking authority, or casting out or some such and the like.

Name of speaker is on tip of my tongue but ....hmmm, nope...not yet..

found it: Neil Anderson but this is only for believers, we are pretty sure (well no, not sure but just to say it because we have no expectation of anyone trying to go this route)

Early child SA had also contributed to this, we are sure.

convinced that this abuse/neglect perpetrated upon us made the later experience possible (would like to know more people who think this too). When children are harmed, and later embrace some deity (in my case Christianity) they are vulnerable to these dark spirits. People do damage bringing people to some god encounter naively, that is why we do not prosyltyze, they think they know but they lack knowledge. My assumption, they want the accolades. There is a time for everything, afterall.

.....so much to say...but no, this should be safe to talk about, here, in this thread. *sigh*

INCUBUS - A spirit or demon thought in medieval times to lie on sleeping persons, especially women, with whom it sought sexual intercourse.

SUCCUBUS - In folklore, a female demon thought to have sexual intercourse with sleeping men.

Above definitions came from Webster's Dictionary.

hmmm...if this is what they were, they did get removed as far as we can tell... .

This subject matter had not crossed my mind....

...however when it happened there were no female leadership to go to in my church, only men. We didn't go to them, thank goodness, another temptation to blamed upon woman.

Thank you so much for the designs. "though I go to the depths of sheoul, even there your hand will guide me" We feel that hell.

Malady, your works of art are making 'it' tolerable...they are contained within the space of form, colour, shape, size and time...the ones that are uncontained are still in my head or the heads of the grownup children around me.

this verse has been terribly altered in the NIV (to protect the guilty, the perps) but here it is non-the-less: "if I make my bed in the depths, you are there " http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm%20139

Thanks for the courage to post and i thank me too.

Granted courage to post one more...The Hive

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“Science without religion is lame.
Religion without science is blind.”
Albert Einstein