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#21
You don't trust cis men and you think it's okay that a trans woman is therefor forced to pee with them? Can't see the logic here
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#22
I get your point, but no matter what we do in society we are open to dangers. I get that. But I think there is less danger in that than there is in allowing anyone to dress up as the opposite gender and use their designated restroom. Whether anyone wants to believe it or not, there are sick people who would take advantage of that situation.
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#23
Okay and here is the keypoint: Trans people don't "dress up as the opposite gender". They dress as the person they are and when they want to pee then they just want to go to the bathroom that has there gender sign on it if they are gendered.
Your fear of a dude will dress up to harass women is totally out of context. He will do it anywas. HE IS A ****ING CREEP WHO IS DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL do you really think it will stop him if there are bills that say that transpersons aren't allowed in there? So just let them pee. Do you know what makes me sad the most on your "they have to had the full reassign thing"? That not everyone want them. You are forcing them to do so if they want to pee. I don't know about you, but when I'm at the bathroom, I don't look - and I don't care - what the person next door has in their pant. That would be gross. On the contrary do you want guards on the door? Looking inside your pants? Or how do you even plan to make this happen? When does someone qualify? And were do they go mid-transition? I posted a study in this thread before if you want a taste of what it's like to be a trans person and trying to pee in public. Just an add to think: where I live, we don't have such a bill. And _surprise_ there are no problems. We don't have dudes pretending to be women. If they want to harass, they just go in there. Thats a complete different problem. The only persons that have problems becuase of this are the trans people, not the cis ones. Last edited by Pflaumenkeks; May 11, 2016 at 02:05 PM.. |
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#24
People who want to control others in this way are afraid---and they want everyone and everything to LOOK LIKE THEY EXPECT people/things to look---it's xenophobia looking for an explanation ---- they don't care what is on a birth certificate, or about little girls (little boys with grown men could be a greater concern....?) they want their own perceptions and beliefs verified even if they are looking at a lie. (I can just see a fully transitioned friend going into the bathroom of their birth certificate....they could be arrested....).
come on....do you know Anything about the other person in the bathroom with you no matter what they look like? Hello. Get over it. __________________ "...don't say Home / the bones of that word mend slowly...' marie harris |
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#25
I am having the same issue in a sense in fact I came here to looking for answers to a question. I agree with equality for all and I know before this new set of laws women and young girls were being hurt by men in restrooms but I am worried that this in a way would make it worse. I support people who have gone through all the steps to become the gender they identify with being able to use the restroom that they are now not what they were born as but I also know there is no way to regulated this. I don't want to feel like a bigot if I fight against this because I am all for gay rights but at the same time. I do feel like some men with ill intent may be able to sneak by and get in. I don't know how to feel about this. I don't want to come off as a bigot but I also don't agree with someone just being able to say oh I feel like I am a woman in a man's body and going into the woman's restroom. I know we can't put bouncers at restroom doors and checking IDs. I don't want to say trans people need their own restroom because I feel like that would be doing to them what we did to the blacks in the 50s. May be we just need to give up the fight because there is no way of really preventing sexual crimes from happening due to this.
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#26
Just had a thought:
I have noticed little, if any, concern about the men's restroom. Because women routinely use the men's when there are long lines at the women's? Ironically, this would, under NC law, probably result in more women being arrested than men. Actually, I find this rather amusing. How's that for an "unintended consequence"? __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I got nuthin'... |
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#30
We know why. How many women have been arrested for inappropriate behavior (dressing like men to go in there & take movies or sexually assault a man)? Verses the number of men who have been arrested for such behavior?
When it happens we log it as a possibility that we don't want to happen to us. Porta potties are gender neutral....maybe we should replace bathrooms with those all over the place & no one will have to worry....& they are individually private which seems to be the main issue brought up regarding this new law. What is the percentage number of transgenders this actually effects out of the actual population? How many of the voices being heard are those who are just sympathizers for the cause? __________________ ![]() Leo's favorite place was in the passenger seat of my truck. We went everywhere together like this. Leo my soulmate will live in my heart FOREVER Nov 1, 2002 - Dec 16, 2018 |
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I am a woman, and I have seen all shapes, sizes, & ages of women in public restrooms. Honestly, if I happen to see a woman in there who might look like they may once have been a man or haven't had the "full" operation yet, I don't give a flying F. And I hate public restrooms because of social anxiety, I get out of there as fast as I can anyway.
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#34
I don't get it either... Why not start a rampage against sexual predators and child abusers? Its really embarrassing what has happened to US.
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#35
Here's some food for thought...
Scared Of Trans People In Bathrooms? Here's One HUGE Thing You're Forgetting __________________ ![]() MY BLOG IS NOW CONVENIENTLY LOCATED HERE!! [UPDATED: 4/30/2017] LIFE IS TOO SHORT, TOO VALUABLE AND TOO PRECIOUS A THING TO WASTE!! |
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#36
I'm not entirely sure what this argument is about, transgender people have been using the bathroom of their choosing for years. It would never bother me, as I'm only there to make a preemptive strike and get out anyways...
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