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Old Dec 13, 2016, 12:30 PM
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I was wondering if anyone has experienced sleep paralysis/paralytic dreams?

I don't ever recall having them when I was younger but now I have had several. They are very frightening. While dreaming you are awake enough to realize you are indeed dreaming.

When this occurs I am aware that I am having a bad dream that I am trying to wake up from. It usually results in me crying out -- and I can hear myself -- but am still unable to wake up fully and I know this. I usually feel panicked when this is happening, and relieved when I am able to snap out of it.

I am not sure if this is what occurs when people wake up while under anesthesia, but it seems similar. You are awake, aware, but unable to move.

Your mind is aware of what's going on (I can see the room I am in and everything).

I have regular intervals of being awake nightly for several hours before I can fall back asleep. I'm not sure if this is contributing to the sleep paralysis or not.

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Old Dec 13, 2016, 12:54 PM
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Old Dec 13, 2016, 06:32 PM
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I was wondering if anyone has experienced sleep paralysis/paralytic dreams?

I don't ever recall having them when I was younger but now I have had several. They are very frightening. While dreaming you are awake enough to realize you are indeed dreaming.

When this occurs I am aware that I am having a bad dream that I am trying to wake up from. It usually results in me crying out -- and I can hear myself -- but am still unable to wake up fully and I know this. I usually feel panicked when this is happening, and relieved when I am able to snap out of it.

I am not sure if this is what occurs when people wake up while under anesthesia, but it seems similar. You are awake, aware, but unable to move.

Your mind is aware of what's going on (I can see the room I am in and everything).

I have regular intervals of being awake nightly for several hours before I can fall back asleep. I'm not sure if this is contributing to the sleep paralysis or not.

Anyone?
Hi,
Sleep paralysis dreams are quite comon. Most people have them at sometime in their life. I had few after a divorce and change of job.
The subconscious creates the dream to wake you from a tired fitful sleep with the idea that you can't move cant scream and can't call for help. Your dream was a mild form of sleep paralysis dream. Many sleepers experience frightening ghosts or other mysterious presences in the dream. Some people people even experience physically pulled outof bed, onlyto wake up sitting up in bed.
Most sleep paralysis dreams happen when sleeping on the back or belly.
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Old Dec 14, 2016, 04:33 PM
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Sleep paralysis dreams are quite comon. Most people have them at sometime in their life. I had few after a divorce and change of job.
The subconscious creates the dream to wake you from a tired fitful sleep with the idea that you can't move cant scream and can't call for help. Your dream was a mild form of sleep paralysis dream. Many sleepers experience frightening ghosts or other mysterious presences in the dream. Some people people even experience physically pulled outof bed, onlyto wake up sitting up in bed.
Most sleep paralysis dreams happen when sleeping on the back or belly.
I did not know it was common, and thanks for the description. That makes sense.

I have had a few episodes and while one was mild, one was terrifying. I thought I was being choked. While I felt a presence, I did not see anyone. And yes, I was sleeping on my back in each instance.

Come to think of it, there were major life changes occurring around each one. I used to just have "bad dreams", but this is a whole new level of my subconscious getting involved. I hope they do not get worse, yikes.
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Old Dec 14, 2016, 08:44 PM
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Hi, I experience sleep paralysis on a regular basis. It is indeed terrifying. I have no solution for it. When finally waking from sleep paralysis, I often have to go watch TV for a while to lessen the sense of complete terror that I feel.
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Old Dec 15, 2016, 06:10 AM
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Hi, I experience sleep paralysis on a regular basis. It is indeed terrifying. I have no solution for it. When finally waking from sleep paralysis, I often have to go watch TV for a while to lessen the sense of complete terror that I feel.
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Some medicines/drugs, especially anti depressants or psychedelic drugs make dreams more vivid and more frightening. You might have noticed it with some medicens you tried.
After waking from a sleep paralysis dream, turning over and getting comfortable in bed is probably the best way to deal with it.
The subconscious uses the frightening ideas: ghosts, entities , inability to move or scream as a waking element.
Now you brought it out in the open your sleep paralysis dreams will be less disturbing or even stop altogether
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Old Dec 15, 2016, 06:26 AM
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I doubt that they will stop just because I've tall about it. I've talked about it numerous times and it continues to happen. I'm not new to this phenomenon. As I said, I've been dealing with it for awhile.

I have to say, I feel like you downplayed the seriousness of the problem this is for me and for the OP. Maybe be careful how you phrase things in the future?

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Old Dec 15, 2016, 09:34 AM
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I doubt that they will stop just because I've tall about it. I've talked about it numerous times and it continues to happen. I'm not new to this phenomenon. As I said, I've been dealing with it for awhile.

I have to say, I feel like you downplayed the seriousness of the problem this is for me and for the OP. Maybe be careful how you phrase things in the future?

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Thanks for your reply.
I have studied dreams and consciousness for a long time. You can be certain that I have not downplayed the seriousness of sleep paralysis dreams. I know from my own experience and thousands of replies to my posts on various forums what dreams are and how dreams work.
Please wait how your next SP dream will unfold and how you respond to it.
Now you know that the dream is dreamt simply to change your sleeping position or to wake you up, I'm sure you will take it easier.

The problem with drugs/medicins are that they create disturbance in the brain. The medicines maybe good for problems of depression or other problems but the subconscious needs to create more vivid and violent dreams to wake or move the sleeper.
The big problem is that scientists and psychologists do not understand the importance of dreaming.
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Old Dec 15, 2016, 10:18 AM
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Again, I have been dealing with sleep paralysis a long time. I repeat to you AGAIN, changing my position is not going to stop it from happening. And I do feel you have downplayed it because you continue to insist that it will just go away if I roll over instead of listening to me say that I have had this for years and if simply rolling over fixed it, don't you think it would be gone by now?

FYI, I didn't learn anything from your post, so don't say 'now you know...' I stated that I have dealt with sleep paralysis for years. Maybe that didn't clue you in, but I'm very familiar with what it's about and what it does. Knowing what dreams are and how dreams work does not.mean you are on expert on sleep paralysis, and yes, you have downplayed the seriousness of it, as I said before IN MY OPINION.

Oh wow, you've talked about it on the Internet to other people? Yeah, that must make you a expert. Give me a break.
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Old Dec 16, 2016, 12:37 AM
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I have them too, seesaw. Sometimes as often as twice a week. Other times weeks go by without one. So I do know your pain. And no, it's NOT simple by any means to get rid of them. I physically CANNOT move, so how could I turn over? You are paralyzed in this state, so it's not possible. I try to cry out, and eventually, after a long period of desperately trying, I do start to actually cry out. It exhausts me. They are terrifying, and I don't wish them on my worst enemy.

I've also talked about them to others, and a psychiatrist, and it makes no difference in the frequency. I take an extended release form of Xanax and I find that if I miss my evening dose, I am MORE prone to have them than if I've taken the prescribed amount. So everyone is different. I used to be able to wake myself out of nightmares (not the paralysis, which are two very different things) and suddenly I cannot do that anymore. So going to sleep at night is traumatic for me, as I never know what might happen. I sympathize with you! It's out of your control and very disturbing, to say the least.
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Old Dec 16, 2016, 01:19 AM
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I have them too, seesaw. Sometimes as often as twice a week. Other times weeks go by without one. So I do know your pain. And no, it's NOT simple by any means to get rid of them. I physically CANNOT move, so how could I turn over? You are paralyzed in this state, so it's not possible. I try to cry out, and eventually, after a long period of desperately trying, I do start to actually cry out. It exhausts me. They are terrifying, and I don't wish them on my worst enemy.

I've also talked about them to others, and a psychiatrist, and it makes no difference in the frequency. I take an extended release form of Xanax and I find that if I miss my evening dose, I am MORE prone to have them than if I've taken the prescribed amount. So everyone is different. I used to be able to wake myself out of nightmares (not the paralysis, which are two very different things) and suddenly I cannot do that anymore. So going to sleep at night is traumatic for me, as I never know what might happen. I sympathize with you! It's out of your control and very disturbing, to say the least.
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Yeah, I have had a few the past few months, never had them before.

They are very unpleasant episodes.

I knew they weren't ordinary dreams right off. I often get vivid dreams but this way a whole other level. I could see the room, which is odd since in my dreams my place is totally different. I could feel a presence in the room, it felt like pure evil was surrounding me. It was certainly textbook, except I didn't feel pressure on me.

I am not sure how long it lasted but it went away eventually and I fell back asleep.

I wish I knew how to avoid them. There is nothing in common that triggers it that I can tell. My ex-pdoc told me I was asleep the entire time which I know is pure BS. I have dreams that screw with my neurological and psychological state and I know how those feel and this was completely outside either and the feelings were external if that makes sense.
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Old Dec 16, 2016, 01:35 PM
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Yeah, I have had a few the past few months, never had them before.

They are very unpleasant episodes.

I knew they weren't ordinary dreams right off. I often get vivid dreams but this way a whole other level. I could see the room, which is odd since in my dreams my place is totally different. I could feel a presence in the room, it felt like pure evil was surrounding me. It was certainly textbook, except I didn't feel pressure on me.

I am not sure how long it lasted but it went away eventually and I fell back asleep.

I wish I knew how to avoid them. There is nothing in common that triggers it that I can tell. My ex-pdoc told me I was asleep the entire time which I know is pure BS. I have dreams that screw with my neurological and psychological state and I know how those feel and this was completely outside either and the feelings were external if that makes sense.
You make complete sense.

I have never had them before either until now.

I wish I had paid more attention after the first one, was there anything unusual that I did/ate/drank etc.? I am not taking any medications, but I can't recall if I took anything even over-the-counter that may have contributed. I pay a lot of attention now. After a few more episodes, I am now quite concerned.

The only time I have heard of what I experienced was someone waking up while under anesthesia. They can see the room, themselves, and know they are "awake" but still asleep somehow. The difference is I felt a presence too -- not necessarily a person or a ghost, a presence.

The choking episode was by far the worst. I could hear myself making weird noises trying to cry out for help. I hope that never happens again.

Like you, I can see no direct trigger. For me this is baffling. And terrifying. Thank you for sharing your experience with me.
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Old Dec 16, 2016, 01:40 PM
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Thank you for understanding.
I understand too. And thank you for sharing with me.

This is quite startling and baffling to experience. I didn't even know what it was called until I started googling things trying to understand it.

Like you said seesaw, I have to busy myself with television or reading to settle down. I'm not able to fall right back to sleep afterwards with all of that adrenaline in my system.
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TheRose...What you are describing definitely sounds a lot like sleep paralysis (The Hag) ...interesting, yet very scary phenomenon.
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Old Dec 16, 2016, 06:46 PM
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I had sleep paralysis for many years. And for many of those years I didn't understand what was happening. Yes, sleep paralysis can be terrifying. Fortunately, I haven't experienced an episode in a long time now. And, unfortunately, I don't know what finally "cured" me. It seems like when I stopped having episodes was around the time I starting trying out various antidepressants & other psych med's. But whether or not there was any connection there is something I can't say.
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I can also "see" the room when I'm in sleep paralysis. I also make noises as I'm trying to cry out for help, but I hardly make a sound. I put tremendous effort into it. Seems like it goes on for at least half an hour (although I really have no idea) before I'm finally able to scream, or I wake up. And yes, I've also felt a "presence" in the room. No pressure though. It feels like an evil presence, and at these times I've even tried to make scary noises, or bark like a dog to scare the "presence" away. I am on Propanolol, and I've read where some people have nightmares with this drug, and it's true that I didn't have sleep paralysis until I started taking it. But I have no choice--I have to be on it for my mitral valve prolapse problems, which causes heart palpitations, and that is even scarier than sleep paralysis! So if drugs are causing it, it's kind of a darned if you do and darned it you don't situation. Also, I have found no connection to what I've eaten, and whether or not I have an episode. Wouldn't it be wonderful if they found a cure for this?
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Old Dec 23, 2016, 01:40 PM
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I can also "see" the room when I'm in sleep paralysis. I also make noises as I'm trying to cry out for help, but I hardly make a sound. I put tremendous effort into it. Seems like it goes on for at least half an hour (although I really have no idea) before I'm finally able to scream, or I wake up. And yes, I've also felt a "presence" in the room. No pressure though. It feels like an evil presence, and at these times I've even tried to make scary noises, or bark like a dog to scare the "presence" away. I am on Propanolol, and I've read where some people have nightmares with this drug, and it's true that I didn't have sleep paralysis until I started taking it. But I have no choice--I have to be on it for my mitral valve prolapse problems, which causes heart palpitations, and that is even scarier than sleep paralysis! So if drugs are causing it, it's kind of a darned if you do and darned it you don't situation. Also, I have found no connection to what I've eaten, and whether or not I have an episode. Wouldn't it be wonderful if they found a cure for this?
Yes, I would be so pleased if there was a cure, or at least a remedy.

I understand you have a predicament with having to take a medication that may contribute. Heart palpitations can be very frightening by themselves, I've experienced those a few times.

I am a very lucid dreamer and even if the dream is bad, I generally just wake up feeling uncomfortable, or at least trying to understand the dream. But the paralysis is a whole different level. I like your idea of trying to scare the presence away. That never occurred to me, but I'll keep that as a tactic to maybe end it quicker.

Thank you so much for sharing your experience with me.
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I have had episodes of sleep paralysis all my life. Way before I started taking psych meds. If anything they seem to happen less once I got on meds. They are indeed terrifying and it doesn't seem to matter what sleep position I am in. I have to sit up and wake completely up or even get out of bed for a while. If I don't I go right back into the same dream.
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I had a few. First one was extremely frightening, I could feel my heart trembling.
I'd read about it on the internet afterwards.
Afterwards I'd cope with it, by placing myself in the fear, accepting the darkness.
I recently had another sleep paralysis. I had an initial fearful reaction, but then I was like "oh, here we go... awesome!". I remember using my hands to cast "spells of darkness", I was trolling with my situation in a way. Was heck of a fun, would do again! (though not necessary, lol)
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Yes, I would be so pleased if there was a cure, or at least a remedy.

I understand you have a predicament with having to take a medication that may contribute. Heart palpitations can be very frightening by themselves, I've experienced those a few times.

I am a very lucid dreamer and even if the dream is bad, I generally just wake up feeling uncomfortable, or at least trying to understand the dream. But the paralysis is a whole different level. I like your idea of trying to scare the presence away. That never occurred to me, but I'll keep that as a tactic to maybe end it quicker.

Thank you so much for sharing your experience with me.
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The "cure" is understanding what it is. It maybe unpleasant but it is always created by the subconscious to help the sleeper wake up from a problem that he/she is experiencing during sleep. As I said earlier stress and depression are the main causes, but sleeping positions and breathing difficulties during sleep are also factors. We can see how the sleeper is positioned during sleep but we can't see how the internal organs spread out, especially the lungs.
The subconscious takes breathing difficulties very seriously and if it is experienced moves the sleeper or wakes him/her up. Sometimes literally frightens the sleeper awake!
Another point about the sleep paralysis dream is that by the time the sleeper can "think" say or do something, the job of the dream is done; the brain is working!
Dreams are a work of art!
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There seems to be a huge misconception about what sleep paralysis is. Sleep paralysis is NOT having a nightmare that you can't wake from. That is a nightmare. Sleep paralysis is when the wakening cycle of an individual is disrupted. Typically when you sleep, your brain shuts down various parts of the body. During a normal wakening, those functions slowly come back on line. Sleep paralysis is when your brain wakes fully before your body comes back online and you cannot move. It DOES NOT HAPPEN WHILE YOU ARE ASLEEP. You are completely awake. It is not a matter of controlling your dreams to stop it from happening. It is common for a person experiencing sleep paralysis to have hallucinations during it, usually of an intruder in the room or of being attacked, because they feel like their body is being pressed down upon, because they cannot move.

To say it's caused by depression or stress is BS. Doctors DO NOT know what causes sleep paralysis.

"It maybe unpleasant but it is always created by the subconscious to help the sleeper wake up from a problem that he/she is experiencing during sleep. As I said earlier stress and depression are the main causes, but sleeping positions and breathing difficulties during sleep are also factors." None of this is true. This is all incorrect information. It is not caused by the subconscious, it has nothing to do with dreams, and we have no information that sleep positions, breathing difficulties, or nightmares are a factor. There is no scientific evidence of that. And even people who experience sleep paralysis will tell you that they weren't even dreaming before it happened. And since it has nothing to do with dreams, as sleep paralysis is a condition that occurs when waking from sleep, not during sleep or during dreams, this idea that know you are having a nightmare so that will solve everything is both irrelevant and inaccurate.

Dreams may be a work of art but they have very little to do with sleep paralysis.

To the person experiencing sleep paralysis, to say to them "just roll over" or "just know you're dreaming" is of little comfort and very patronizing. Rolling over or sleep position has no known causality. Experiencing sleep paralysis is terrifying and the amount of strength and adrenaline it takes to get your body to respond again is immense. Most people, when finally able to move, are in "fight" mode. They need to do things to calm down to get back to sleep. They cannot just roll over and go back to bed.

To those having nightmares they can't wake from or in which they describe that they cannot move or react. That is not sleep paralysis. While very disturbing, it is not sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis is about the functioning of your brain and how it turns off the pathways to your body while you are asleep. It does this to protect you so when you dream, you won't physically react and hurt yourself. Sleep paralysis occurs when you have awakened and your brain has not turned back on the pathways to your body yet, and so even though you tell your arm, for example, to move, it does not.

As I said, the cause is unknown and there is no known cure. Most people will experience it at least once in their lifetime, while a small amount of the population will experience it in a recurring fashion.
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I was wondering if anyone has experienced sleep paralysis/paralytic dreams?
Anyone?
Read up on astral projection or the out of body state.
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Some psychiatric medicines can cause it. Some sleep meds like Belsomra and some neurological drugs.
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